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I am not saying kill everyone, but there has to be a line to be drawn.....

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Aug 26 '15, 09:45

what value does someone who raped and killed several kids have in society, even 45 years from now?

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My opposition to the death penalty has never been about the value of the condemned to society, but about my unwillingness - TWuG Aug 26, 09:52 12
- I agree. I don't want anyone killed by the state in my name. I'll never be okay with the death penalty. -- nm - Krusty Aug 26, 10:05
- I'm curious about something that was on B2. groin suggested to just give this guy a gun and let him finish the job... - Jim Aug 26, 10:03 7
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  - Have you seen The Secret In Their Eyes? (If not, see it before the remake with Julia Roberts) -- nm - Roger More Aug 26, 10:12 4
    - My Vudu group has it, if anyone's interested. -- nm - Mop Aug 26, 10:22
    - I have not...so I have no idea what this response is supposed to mean. -- nm - Jim Aug 26, 10:13 2
      - Just that it summarises that viewpoint - semi-spoilers - Roger More Aug 26, 10:19
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  - My rational, speaking for no one else, is that if I have established control of your person, than it is incumbent upon me - TWuG Aug 26, 10:11
- i just think killing them takes away all our moral high-ground. it can't be okay for the good guys, if it isn't okay for the bad guys. - Andie Aug 26, 09:56 2
  - I've said this before, but for a long time I was in favor of the death penalty on the theory that when someone commits a capital crime they forfeit - pmb Aug 26, 10:02
  - Pretty much. Context is the difference between killing and murder, but we should work to - TWuG Aug 26, 09:58
In theory, that's fine. But look at how many "convicted killers" have been freed in IL because they were innocent? - spamlet, Reigning Blood Feud Champion Aug 26, 09:52 10
- Derek Bentley was the last person to be executed in the UK. It's a heart breaking story. -- nm - LMS Aug 26, 10:02
- oh, I think the rules have to be different. I would guess very few people would actually be put down. - groiny Aug 26, 09:55 7
  - In the end in order to protect from these things the cost to actually get to an execution is actually higher than just imprisoning. It just winds up - pmb Aug 26, 09:57 3
    - I am not getting into a cost justification debate. - groiny Aug 26, 09:59 2
      - Then make life mean life. -- nm - TWuG Aug 26, 10:00
      - Parole doesn't have to be an option. -- nm - pmb Aug 26, 09:59
  - Exactly - when you catch the guy with a smoking gun in his hand - it's pretty cut and dry. -- nm - Jim Aug 26, 09:56 1
    - Real life isn't the boondock saints, and no matter how much it might seem like they are needed, it's a line that should not be crossed. - Beryllium Aug 26, 10:00
  - I don't think there's a line that "dude murdered his three children in a fire" doesn't cross. - spamlet, Reigning Blood Feud Champion Aug 26, 09:56
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How is it possible to know the answer to that - znufrii Aug 26, 09:52
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- at some point, you lose your right to be treated as a human, when you commit acts that are so non human. - groiny Aug 26, 09:52 17
  - I disagree that anyone loses the right to be treated as a human. Because I'm the one treating them as such, if I deny their humanity - TWuG Aug 26, 09:57
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    - we as a society have a right to live without worrying about some jagoff raping my kids. - groiny Aug 26, 09:57 13
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        as of today, there is no such law, correct? - groiny Aug 26, 10:00 11
        
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        In many states there are "life w/o parole" statutes. It seems silly to say you want a scheme to keep people in prison but are unwilling - TWuG Aug 26, 10:06 2
        
        ok, life in prison getting raped and abused is perfectly fine by me too. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 26, 10:09 1
        
        That just sounds like someone who wants their revenge and they want it long and slow. -- nm - Jim Aug 26, 10:10
        
        so, work to change that law. -- nm - Andie Aug 26, 10:02 6
        
        I;m assuming that this is directed at the lawyer who said it's a simple solution. -- nm - Shaun Aug 26, 10:06 4
        
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        with all due respect, Jack, it is not about revenge. - groiny Aug 26, 10:11 1
        
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        that is fine as well, but just like gun reform, these things take time. - groiny Aug 26, 10:04
  - There are no such acts - jangles Aug 26, 09:53
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  - I'd teach them that their actions have consequences. The worse the action, the worse the consequence. -- nm - Jim Aug 26, 09:54 1
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Word. -- nm - Jim Aug 26, 09:48
agreed -- nm - Pippy Aug 26, 09:46

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