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In response to "yeah, this just seems excessive. -- (link)" by znufrii

Here's my problem with these videos...they never have the beginning of the altercation.

Posted by Jim (aka Jim) Sep 18 '15, 05:57

They always conveniently begin as the officer is exerting force on someone.

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I wouldn't say it's "convenient". More that bystanders don't start recording until something is already happening. -- nm - Roger More Sep 18, 07:26 5
- Call it what you will...the fact remains that you never see what got the cop's attention, only his reaction. -- nm - Jim Sep 18, 07:29 4
  - I agree it doesn't tell the whole story - but "the recording started too late" isn't something to get cynical over. -- nm - Roger More Sep 18, 07:37 2
    - no, not the recording, most of the time. - groiny Sep 18, 07:39 1
      - "Black teenager arrested by nine California police officers after 'jaywalking'" - Roger More Sep 18, 07:42
  - it is convenient when it is posted with a headline that says "innocent man assaulted by police!" -- nm - groiny Sep 18, 07:31
fair point. - znufrii Sep 18, 06:04 4
- I stopped about 25 seconds in...and it certainly appears to be same ole, same ole white cop beats up on black kid. - Jim Sep 18, 06:06 3
  - There's no beating. 8 other cops show up, they take him to the ground and handcuff him. -- nm - Ender Sep 18, 07:16 2
    - Well, the first cop did take a swing at the kid. Either way, my point was more about the video only showing part of the story. -- nm - Jim Sep 18, 07:24
    - 1 cop to arrest him, and 8 to hold his pants up. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 18, 07:19
Agreed, but it is a skinny 16 year old kid. Do they think he has a weapon? Or a clock? -- nm - amoxy Sep 18, 06:01 10
- They think that while the one cop is occupied on the ground trying to handcuff him either... - Ender Sep 18, 07:24
- Then again it is Stockton, not the safest city around -- nm - amoxy Sep 18, 06:05
- My comment was more in general...but speaking to this...who's to say that 15 seconds before that video started the kid didn't take a swing at the cop? - Jim Sep 18, 06:04 7
  - to your IM, I can think of a number of reasons why submitting to authority might not be the first thing on this kid's mind. -- nm* - znufrii Sep 18, 06:15 6
    - It might not be the first thing on his mind, but it should be. When has struggling and yelling EVER helped someone in his situation? - Jim Sep 18, 06:25 5
      - or maybe just not escalate the situation so it gets to that point in the first place? *shrug* -- nm - znufrii Sep 18, 06:50 4
        
        Aren't we saying the same thing? *confused* -- nm - Jim Sep 18, 07:17 3
        
        well, I was talking about the cop -- nm - znufrii Sep 18, 07:27 2
        
        Ah...yeah, we won't find agreement there. -- nm - Jim Sep 18, 07:28 1
        
        apologies for the confusion. :) -- nm - znufrii Sep 18, 07:31

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