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In response to "Can you imagine any school system in Canada or the US today having a 6-12% die-off every year? -- nm" by Beryllium

We're talking about like 1908 though, right? -- nm

Posted by Ender Oct 6 '15, 12:05

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The last one closed in *1996* -- nm - Reagen Oct 6, 12:06 24
- The first one closed in 1873. " (burned down six days after opening)". hah -- nm - Beryllium Oct 6, 12:12 1
  - (Though, if anyone died, I retract my laugh) -- nm - Beryllium Oct 6, 12:12
- And what was the mortality rate then? -- nm - Ender Oct 6, 12:07 21
  - Likely ... lower. Early in the century though after five years you had a 30 to 60% chance of being dead. They were still going strong in the 50s/60s. -- nm - zork Oct 6, 12:10
  - Call me doubtful that as many kids were dying of tuberculosis in 1996. -- nm - Ender Oct 6, 12:10 19
    - garbage food, little heat, high flu rates, and serious beatings (sometimes fatal). It was never all from TB -- nm - zork Oct 6, 12:23 17
      - My point is, you can't shout "6-12% MORTALITY RATE!!!" and then try to compare that to modern institutions. - Ender Oct 6, 12:33 16
        
        Who did that? Other than someone else comparing to "projects" schools in the US - zork Oct 6, 13:04 11
        
        "Can you imagine any school system in Canada or the US today having a 6-12% die-off every year?"- Beryllium Oct 6, 15:00 (26) -- nm* - Ender Oct 6, 13:06 10
        
        We're talking about like 1908 though, right? -- nm - Ender Oct 6, 15:05 (17) -- nm - Ender Oct 6, 13:07 9
        
        Nope -- nm - zork Oct 6, 15:06 (1) -- nm - Ender Oct 6, 13:08 8
        
        Nope, as in there was horrible shit happening for many decades after that, into the 70s at least. - zork Oct 6, 13:11 7
        
        Bery was certainly comparing it to modern school systems. -- nm - Ender Oct 6, 13:13 6
        
        "Can you imagine?" isn't really a comparison. And the mortality rates in these schools were a lot higher than the Canadian average for school children - Roger More Oct 6, 13:19 2
        
        Which is also an apples and oranges comparison, given that average school children don't go to residential schools. - Ender Oct 6, 13:22 1
        
        The point we are trying to get across is that we are talking about a population that has been disadvantaged for a long period of time. - Roger More Oct 6, 13:27
        
        I was saying it would be unconscionable in a modern school system. - Beryllium Oct 6, 13:16
        
        so reply to him. -- nm - zork Oct 6, 13:14 1
        
        I did, and then you kept replying to me. -- nm - Ender Oct 6, 13:20
        
        No, but the death rate at these schools was a lot higher than the death rate for school-aged children across Canada -- (link) - Roger More Oct 6, 12:41
        
        I'm going to say there was no time in the 18th through 20th century when that kind of mortality rate was normal for school-attending children. -- nm - Reagen Oct 6, 12:40 1
        
        Yeah, same for the forced sterilization rates -- nm - Beryllium Oct 6, 12:41
        
        I'd be very interested in a comparison with the mortality rates of turn-of-the-century US & Canadian orphanages though. -- nm - Ender Oct 6, 12:37
    - no, although it's still an endemic problem in Native populations. - Reagen Oct 6, 12:12
Nope -- nm - zork Oct 6, 12:06 1
- "The first residential schools were established in the 1840s and the last residential school closed in 1996". They were even sterilizing kids. -- (link) - zork Oct 6, 12:08

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