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In response to ""less-advanced school" "slower-track school" -- nm" by jar jar trump

The problem is the unequivocal "blacks belong in" that Motherjones invented. -- nm

Posted by Endor (aka Ender) Dec 10 '15, 14:46

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I agree it's more nuanced than that. He's not, for instance, arguing that black students that get in on the top 10% test should go to slower schools. - pmb Dec 10, 14:54
that's completely the inference of the argument. because they "can't" do as well at schools like UT, they only deserve to go to the lesser schools -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 14:49 19
- Except that they're specifically talking about affirmative action and those who only get into a school because of it. - Endor Dec 10, 14:54 18
  - That's really not how it works. It is a factor among many that is being considered. When you have a kid going through college admission you will - pmb Dec 10, 15:09 6
    - Except that those being discussed wouldn't have gotten in with exactly the same qualifications if they were another race, right? -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 15:13 5
      - The point is that there are no 2 students with exactly the same qualifications when you get past the 10% rule. The minority has a "point on his - pmb Dec 10, 15:21 2
        
        Do you believe "skin color" is a qualification for college? -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 15:23 1
        
        That's an absurd statement. Is being good at sports a "qualification". This is not about qualifications. They meet the "qualifications" for getting - pmb Dec 10, 15:27
      - If "squishyness" were all it were then we could just drop the race question and go with everything else, right? -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 15:15 1
        
        You're missing the point that diversity is good for the campus as a whole. Just as the kid who started his own business in high school (even though - pmb Dec 10, 15:25
  - Not "only". These are students that are qualified to be there, but the deciding factor to admit has a racial component. - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 15:06 4
    - But less qualified than others, right? -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 15:08 3
      - Maybe. Maybe just differently qualified. - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 15:17 1
        
        Are we seriously saying that the skin color your born with its a qualification for getting into college? -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 15:21
      - See my post above. It is way more "squishy" than that. The vast majority of college admissions is not just academic formulation. -- nm - pmb Dec 10, 15:10
  - that's not how the policy works -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 14:58 5
    - So there aren't people who get admitted over non-minority students with better scores? -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 15:06 4
      - There are non-minorities that get admitted over other non-minorities with better scores. Scores are not the only criteria. -- nm - pmb Dec 10, 15:12
      - With Texas' top 10% of each high school, yes. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:10 2
        
        So the non-top-10-percent is strictly merit based? That's just not true. -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 15:16 1
        
        didn't say anything on that, just answered the question. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:26
I haven't seen that, but I have seen really selective quoting. and a lot of people who can't be bothered to check for context on their own. -- nm - b. Dec 10, 14:49

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