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HBO renews ‘The Leftovers’ for 3rd and final season. -- (link) - GregW Dec 10, 16:41 1
- boo/yay -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:41
skimmed a playlist of someone I follow, and a band name gave me pause. - b. Dec 10, 16:41
uh oh, judge expands the class action suit against Uber -- (link) - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:32
If anyone really does not understand ISIS, I thought this statement by Quinn in the first episode of 'Homeland' said it clearly. - GregW Dec 10, 16:29
angels acquire yunel escobar in exchange for nationals' rp trevor gott. nm but: -- (link) - b. Dec 10, 16:22 1
- they got gott? -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:37
Serial ep. 1 summary: Bowe Bergdahl did not have a very good plan - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:14 14
- Oh God ... is that the subject of Serial Season 2? - RC-3PO Dec 10, 16:42
- "I want to bring attention to something!" "I'm going to walk away from my post!" "Crap... now what?" -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 16:28 8
  - according to him, he also wanted to prove to himself that he was tough enough - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:30 7
    - It seems he was trying to pull a Rambo or that is what he wants us to think from what I heard. -- nm - Bacon Dec 10, 16:32 6
      - Better to be thought of as an idiot than a traitor? - The Death Sceire Dec 10, 16:37 5
        
        Oh and I agree with you. He is a traitor. We had to give up way too much to get him back. Total BS! -- nm - Bacon Dec 10, 16:41 1
        
        (Not to mention the lives(?) that were lost trying to "rescue" him.) -- nm - The Death Sceire Dec 10, 16:44
        
        If you have to choose between the two? Idiot is better -- nm - Bacon Dec 10, 16:41
        
        About the only thing I know for a fact is he is from Idaho. So I'm willing to believe a well presented "just plain dumb" defense. -- nm - crash davis Dec 10, 16:40 1
        
        to hear him tell it, he almost instantly knew he made a poor decision but continued to make other poor decisions that compounded the problem - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:42
- He's really dumb -- nm - Bacon Dec 10, 16:27
- I may pick that up this season -- nm - crash davis Dec 10, 16:26 2
  - Have you not listened to S1? -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 16:29 1
    - No. I saw all the raves here, but I just never listened to it. -- nm - crash davis Dec 10, 16:31
Ok, it's been a while: What are you reading, ST? nm - ralph wiggum Dec 10, 16:11 22
- I am still stuck halfway through Horrorstor. One particular scene freaked me out a little and I haven't been able to get back into it since -- nm - prayformojo Dec 10, 16:32
- i recall you enjoying Jim Butcher and the first book in his Cinder Spires series is pretty good. -- nm - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 16:23
- pmb in a modern reworking of the labors of Sisyphus -- nm - crash davis Dec 10, 16:23 8
  - L4! -- nm - RC-3PO Dec 10, 16:43
  - maybe The Grinder should have argued the SCOTUS case -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:27 1
    - But what if he did? -- nm - Beryllium Dec 10, 16:32
  - + -- nm - ewokicripple Dec 10, 16:26
  - I am trying to change the subject from that thread, you ruiner!! nm - ralph wiggum Dec 10, 16:24 2
    - I learned my ruining from Spawn and RC. They taught me well. -- nm - crash davis Dec 10, 16:25 1
      - I'm detracting points for not going with "I learned it by watching you, okay?! I learned it by watching you!" -- nm - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 16:27
  - :-) -- nm - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 16:24
- Striptease by Carl Hiaasen, Just finished Andromeda Strain and before that With The Old Breed by E. B. Sledge -- nm - JD Dec 10, 16:21
- geronimo rex by barry hannah + the jack kirby omnibus vol. 2....nm - x Dec 10, 16:17 2
  - "Along the way he is attacked by an unruly peacock; discovers women, rock 'n' roll, and jazz; and stalks a pervert white supremacist.. - ralph wiggum Dec 10, 16:21 1
    - they left out all the marching band stuff!....nm - x Dec 10, 16:40
- The Singer's Gun by Emily St. John Mandel -- (edited) - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 16:17
- Infinite Jest -- nm - Krusty Dec 10, 16:13 1
  - Courage. -- nm - ewokicripple Dec 10, 16:22
- Welcome to Night Vale. -- nm - Endor Dec 10, 16:12 2
  - Oooooh. Verdict so far? nm - ralph wiggum Dec 10, 16:13 1
    - I like it. I think it's exactly what you would expect from a Welcome to Night Vale novel, except less Cecil at the radio station, and more narration of others lives. -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 16:28
- still Power Wars. picked up City of Fire and several Faulkners -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:12
I don't have the energy at present to get into the race discussion, but here's something we should all be able to agree about. these fools. nm but: -- (link) - b. Dec 10, 16:05 1
- I agree with the b. (on both counts). -- nm - RC-3PO Dec 10, 16:07
Just to get this on record, here is my prediction of the 2016 October Surprise. - crash davis Dec 10, 16:03 2
- Without even considering the election impact of that - ty97 Dec 10, 16:04 1
  - Don't make this the main issue you run on, I'm just sayin'. -- nm - crash davis Dec 10, 16:05
NFL - TNF: Vikes @ Cards in an hour -- (link) - budice Dec 10, 16:02
heh, "temporary love" by the brinks (listening to it for the first time) has part of its backing sound something that sounds exactly like my desk - b. Dec 10, 15:59
*sigh* -- (edited) - ty97 Dec 10, 15:52 17
- Sorry to hear it, but t's good that he notices, and isn't necessarily the worst case scenario! Good thoughts to all of you. -- nm - ewokicripple Dec 10, 16:28
- It's going to turn out well. Those are the vibes I am sending. See the doctor is good -- nm - Bacon Dec 10, 16:23
- I hope it remains minor. Good thoughts to you and your family from Trish and I -- nm - crash davis Dec 10, 16:20
- Hopefully he's just been distracted or it's something easily treated. -- nm - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 16:17
- :( -- nm - budice Dec 10, 16:09
- :-( - RC-3PO Dec 10, 16:09
- Good thoughts for your pops and hopefully the doctors can figure it out. -- nm - Krusty Dec 10, 16:01
- my (limited) experience with it (one of my aunts came to live with us after she began to show symptoms) was more than "forgetting" - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:01 2
  - Def nothing like that or even close at this point. Hoping it's just general old age forgetfulness. - ty97 Dec 10, 16:03 1
    - my dad does that too. here's hoping -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:06
- Speaking of which - eag Dec 10, 15:58 1
  - They ruled out the terrible things (tumor, MS) - ty97 Dec 10, 15:59
- Alzheimers is exponentially worse than senility which is worse than just old and getting short term memory loss - General Zeit Dec 10, 15:57 1
  - senility/dementia can be just as bad in many ways, up until cause of death, anyway. -- nm - b. Dec 10, 16:12
- it is good he realizes it and is open to discussing it. he should definitely be checked - it could be a medication or combo. that's in the mix, among - b. Dec 10, 15:53 2
  - Exactly. -- nm - Spawndroid Dec 10, 15:59 1
    - yah, it's been "interesting" with my mom for the medications vs. possible other things. -- nm - b. Dec 10, 16:08
How do you think SCOTT'S will go on affirmative action? It could be said that half of them are there because PC rules demanded it -- nm - General Zeit Dec 10, 15:51
Heisman watch: Bama RB Derrick Henry wins Walter Camp Award (College MVP) -- nm - budice Dec 10, 15:48
These little suckers ain't half bad as a snack -- (link) - ty97 Dec 10, 15:47
Stalker package: shipped! -- nm - RC-3PO Dec 10, 15:44
heh, from bb - I almost posted yesterday about fast shipping spoiling. - b. Dec 10, 15:38 9
- Ack. My condo arrived Monday. -- nm - Spawndroid Dec 10, 15:41 8
  - I'm still awaiting a couple of other cm purchases; but at least they're expected before the castle, and I know the others were busier. -- nm* - b. Dec 10, 15:51 5
    - just to be clear, you want to give a cat its own castle? - jar jar trump Dec 10, 15:56 4
      - it's shareable. and it's castle-esque for part of its design. nm but: -- (link) - b. Dec 10, 16:03 3
        
        p.s. speaking of memory issues. nm but: -- (link) - b. Dec 10, 16:19 [Backboard] 2
        
        no i recall that. i just wanted to get it on the record that you were installing a cat in an impenetrable fortress -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:26 1
        
        if only it really were impenetrable - I predict little bits of carpet and sisal will be scattered around before long + through its installation. -- nm - b. Dec 10, 16:31
  - mold-ridden, no doubt -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 15:44 1
    - Perfect. I should send you the box for a spare room. -- nm - Spawndroid Dec 10, 15:46
Ender if you can't see that "skin color" is very much a "qualification" for quite a lot in the US, not all of it good, then the conversation is pointl - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 15:35 3
- Except in those situations you agree that judging people based on the hue of their skin is wrong, correct? -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 16:31 1
  - Again, nobody is doing that. For example, "black" is an ethnicity as well as a skin color. - Yoda Dec 10, 17:27
- In the computer industry, we have one development methodology called Agile ... inside that, there's a useful concept for combatting institutional -- (edited) - Beryllium Dec 10, 15:48
Soon we won't need affirmative action anymore, not because we got rid of racism, but because they will have killed the middle class advantages.... - General Zeit Dec 10, 15:23 63
- taking race into consideration as A factor is not a "qualification." it's a remedy for past race-based discrimination -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 15:24 62
  - I will say again, it's more than that. There is an element of that, but it is also about building a student body that is diverse which has merit for - pmb Dec 10, 15:30 61
    - Got it. You do believe a person's skin color is a college qualification. OK. -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 15:34 59
      - Feel free to make up whatever you want about this. I've tried talking to you like an adult about this, but you seem intent on making the responses - pmb Dec 10, 15:37 47
        
        2 kids, 2 races. Live in the same apartment building. Same gpa. Same extracurricular. Same family situation. Same essay. 10 pt diff in SAT. Which gets in? -- nm* - Ender Dec 10, 15:40 42
        
        That's a fantasy you're creating. There are no 2 identical students. As I said, even among white students. But I'll play your silly straw man game - pmb Dec 10, 15:45 35
        
        Or how about the one where a white kid has lower scores and grades and gets in because their father who wasn't a stellar student graduated from the sc - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:49
        
        I am with Ender. That is BS. -- nm - Spawndroid Dec 10, 15:48 16
        
        How exactly. He has proposed a fantasy game where it is 2 identical students. You have to pick one. Why is race and everything that goes with that - pmb Dec 10, 15:51 14
        
        If is a determining factor it is just another form of racism. Period. - Spawndroid Dec 10, 15:54 13
        
        That IM is actually incorrect. Not doing anything maintains the divisions - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 16:01 1
        
        Not if it is at the cost of excluding others for that very reason. Doing the wrong thing for the right reason is still wrong. -- nm - Spawndroid Dec 10, 16:41
        
        First of all, it's only a determining factor because of the fantasy scenario that was proposed. In the real world it is one factor among many (some - pmb Dec 10, 16:00 10
        
        So you're it's OK if it's just "a" factor, but not "the" factor? That's nonsensical. -- nm - Endor Dec 10, 16:12 9
        
        What are you not getting. There is no "the" factor. That's not even what's at issue in the case. It is a factor among many that is considered in - pmb Dec 10, 16:16 8
        
        If the amount of melanin in a person's skin isn't putting them ahead of people with less melanin then why are we considering it at all? - Ender Dec 10, 16:26 7
        
        Not necessarily. And that's the point. How are you not getting this. Is your view that it should be just a formulaic determination based on grades - pmb Dec 10, 16:41
        
        One reason is that having a diverse student body is best for all of the students. -- nm - Krusty Dec 10, 16:34 4
        
        Diverse how? Again we're back to "same life experience, different skin color". Nobody's saying different life experiences don't change qualifications. -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 16:35 3
        
        Because it would better reflect the real world. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 16:38 2
        
        ...in skin color only. -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 16:39 1
        
        So you're actually arguing that black experience and the white experience are exactly the same. That their cultural experience, their perspective, - pmb Dec 10, 16:45
        
        Because it's a state school and has some obligation to represent the population thereof. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 16:30
        
        Shit, I totally haven't switched my nick on the phone... -- nm - Endor Dec 10, 15:49
        
        Diversity in skin color only. -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 15:47 16
        
        Skin color impacts a lot in this world. Experiences, culture, points of view. Yours is showing right now. - pmb Dec 10, 16:26 2
        
        In fairness, it is VERY hard to see past one's own privilege. - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 16:30 1
        
        I agree. But it's important to try to be cognizant of it. -- nm - pmb Dec 10, 16:43
        
        *ding* -- nm - Strongbad Dec 10, 16:23
        
        Ethnicity and skin color are two different things. Story of my life -- nm - Yoda Dec 10, 16:07
        
        No matter how identical you want to make them, skin color changes the experience of that person. As I said, you want to live the fantasy. But answer - pmb Dec 10, 15:49 8
        
        You seem to be placing a higher value on the life experiences of a minority over a white person, all other data points being equal. - The Death Sceire Dec 10, 16:43 1
        
        On a campus where there are many more white people than black people, the addition of one more white person doesn't add as much to broaden the - pmb Dec 10, 16:52
        
        Easy. Kid who's daddy gave a mill shouldn't get in over another with the same qualifications. - Endor Dec 10, 16:03 5
        
        I missed your SAT score portion of your game. My answer in that scenario then is it depends. Is it higher by one point or 100? Degree would - pmb Dec 10, 16:08 4
        
        TBF, looking back, my phone mangled the SAT difference part pretty badly. -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 16:36 1
        
        Well in your 10 point difference scenario that just isn't a statistically relevant difference. That's maybe one or 2 questions difference at most. - pmb Dec 10, 16:55
        
        Then feel free to sue on donations being a factor. You're the one who brought it into the discussion. -- nm* - Endor Dec 10, 16:14 1
        
        You're the one pretending it doesn't exist. You want to create the fantasy that everyone is on a completely level playing field and every decision is - pmb Dec 10, 16:21
        
        Apparently, that is all that matters. -- nm - Spawndroid Dec 10, 15:49 1
        
        Only in the example Ender built. In the actual case, many many things count, with race being one of them. -- nm - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 16:15
        
        If they're in Texas and in the top10% of their high school, both. -- nm* - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:42 5
        
        And if not? (You are REALLY determined to drag the non affirmative action situation into the affirmative action discussion.) -- nm* - Ender Dec 10, 15:44 4
        
        It is part of the discussion because that's how it works at the university involved. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:51 1
        
        And was how they enacted affirmative action in admissions. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:58
        
        You do understand that that "Top 10%" process could send unqualified kids to the school, right? That the other process that considers race is likely - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 15:46
        
        depends on the school -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:45
        
        And let's talk about other criteria that colleges use for these decisions. Did your parents go to our school? Do they make donations? Are those - pmb Dec 10, 15:39 3
        
        Didn't the woman who brought suit expect to get in because her parent/s had? -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:40 2
        
        Yup. She expected to get in as a legacy admission. -- nm - Krusty Dec 10, 15:43 1
        
        No privilege there -- nm - General Zeit Dec 10, 15:53
      - A lot of white people, like the girl who brought the suit, think so. They believe their skin color better qualfies them. -- nm* - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:37
      - what's your remedy for it being a per se disqualification for 190 years? -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 15:36 9
        
        In which year do you believe we should no longer discriminate? -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 15:37 8
        
        2078. Specifically, August 12@ 532pm. -- nm* - Reagen Dec 10, 16:00
        
        How about when it goes both ways? -- nm - pmb Dec 10, 15:40
        
        legally, we stopped in 1964. this is about all the years before that -- nm - jar jar trump Dec 10, 15:40 4
        
        Riiight.... -- nm - Endor Dec 10, 16:16 3
        
        you're right, it's all part of the African-American community's 300 year long con to steal a few spots in public colleges away from whitey - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:22 2
        
        You can argue that this kind of discrimination is ok, you can't seriously argue that judging people by their skin color ISN'T discrimination. -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 16:41 1
        
        legally, racial discrimination is absolutely permissible if it is a narrowly-tailored remedy to demonstrable past discrimination -- (link) - jar jar trump Dec 10, 16:44
        
        The one after the last traffic stop for DWB. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:39
    - And that represents the population also -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 15:32
the concept of "merit" is a lie white people tell themselves to justify maintaining the status quo -- (link) - jar jar trump Dec 10, 15:23
Come they told me -- nm - cat friends Dec 10, 15:14 2
- i swear, it's the subversive types like you, looking to ruin things for everyone else, that really rattle my nerves - call me Ishmael Dec 10, 15:25
- well, did you? -- nm - znufrii Dec 10, 15:16

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