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In response to "I am with Ender. That is BS. -- nm" by Spawndroid

How exactly. He has proposed a fantasy game where it is 2 identical students. You have to pick one. Why is race and everything that goes with that

Posted by pmb (aka pmb) Dec 10 '15, 15:51

not a valid way to make the determination. Why would "legacy" be better. Or just "whiteness".

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If is a determining factor it is just another form of racism. Period. - Spawndroid Dec 10, 15:54 13
- That IM is actually incorrect. Not doing anything maintains the divisions - TWuGbacca Dec 10, 16:01 1
  - Not if it is at the cost of excluding others for that very reason. Doing the wrong thing for the right reason is still wrong. -- nm - Spawndroid Dec 10, 16:41
- First of all, it's only a determining factor because of the fantasy scenario that was proposed. In the real world it is one factor among many (some - pmb Dec 10, 16:00 10
  - So you're it's OK if it's just "a" factor, but not "the" factor? That's nonsensical. -- nm - Endor Dec 10, 16:12 9
    - What are you not getting. There is no "the" factor. That's not even what's at issue in the case. It is a factor among many that is considered in - pmb Dec 10, 16:16 8
      - If the amount of melanin in a person's skin isn't putting them ahead of people with less melanin then why are we considering it at all? - Ender Dec 10, 16:26 7
        
        Not necessarily. And that's the point. How are you not getting this. Is your view that it should be just a formulaic determination based on grades - pmb Dec 10, 16:41
        
        One reason is that having a diverse student body is best for all of the students. -- nm - Krusty Dec 10, 16:34 4
        
        Diverse how? Again we're back to "same life experience, different skin color". Nobody's saying different life experiences don't change qualifications. -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 16:35 3
        
        Because it would better reflect the real world. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 16:38 2
        
        ...in skin color only. -- nm - Ender Dec 10, 16:39 1
        
        So you're actually arguing that black experience and the white experience are exactly the same. That their cultural experience, their perspective, - pmb Dec 10, 16:45
        
        Because it's a state school and has some obligation to represent the population thereof. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 10, 16:30

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