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In response to "TWuG, is really is more about the amusment in seeing people pretend they weren't hyped past 100% for the prequels. -- nm" by Reagen

This time, it's different!

Posted by Sith Lord Sexypants (aka David) Dec 12 '15, 14:47

Just like last time.

It still blows my mind how many people convinced themselves at the time that they were happy with Revenge of the Sith.

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it absoultely is. I'm actually kind of stunned you don't see it. -- nm - Remlik Dec 12, 15:12 5
- It's *probably* different--because JJ, and not Lucas. - ML Dec 12, 15:24 4
  - + Disney. -- nm - Spawn Solo Dec 12, 16:29
  - man if it sucks. I hope it doesn't. but if it does...shit will get crazy online -- nm - Remlik Dec 12, 15:45 1
    - I'm optimistic. If there's anything JJ is good at, it's a one-off. -- (edited) - ML Dec 12, 15:55
  - Looking at Kasdan's track record as writer, I'm pretty firmly on board with "not gonna suck". - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:27
Well, you hate the original films, so I take all this doomsaying with a rock of salt. - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 14:50 18
- What doomsaying? If anything, I've held my tongue. -- nm - Sith Lord Sexypants Dec 12, 14:52 17
  - Fine. "mocking the enthusiasm". There's a lot that makes this movie look like it has focused on everything fans wanted - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 14:55 16
    - fans didn't care last time. it had "Star Wars" in the title. -- nm - Reagen Dec 12, 14:59 15
      - you're right. And it had Lucas directing. Then we saw it...and hated Lucas directing. It's a whole different ball game now. -- nm - Remlik Dec 12, 15:14 14
        
        and the successive prequels suffered for it, though people still saw them in droves. But still seem to not be getting what I'm saying - Reagen Dec 12, 15:18 13
        
        Your're missing several of the points. Since the prequels a few things happened... - Remlik Dec 12, 15:33 12
        
        None of these things were problems for TPM. - Reagen Dec 12, 15:36 8
        
        If anything, the primary difference now (other than changing viewer behavior) is that... - Sith Lord Sexypants Dec 12, 15:39 5
        
        Interesting comparison. I remember my students trying to tell me that The Hobbit didn't suck a few months after release. -- nm - Reagen Dec 12, 15:41 1
        
        they were correct. It didn't. -- nm - mud Dec 12, 15:46
        
        This is all the same as saying "ha! those fans are gonna get burned again!" negativism. - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:41 2
        
        I feel like you're just way too close to this and it's causing you to miss something obvious. - Sith Lord Sexypants Dec 12, 15:45 1
        
        Explain, please. -- nm - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:56
        
        you're right. But it's still a different world with the hatred those prequels have NOW vs. Seeing the Original Stars back in further adventures. -- nm - Remlik Dec 12, 15:38 1
        
        "Chewie? We're home." is exactly why this film is being met with so much enthusiasm. -- nm - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:42
        
        A was the entire argument for Phantom Menace. - Sith Lord Sexypants Dec 12, 15:35 2
        
        He is saying that kids loved the prequels. They have grown up and want to see more, as well. -- nm - Spawn Solo Dec 12, 16:15 1
        
        Kids found the prequels more boring than church. The first one was about economic sanctions and political machinations, for God's sake. -- nm - Sith Lord Sexypants Dec 12, 16:43
There is a different director. That is a step in the right direction. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 12, 14:49 21
- And Kasdan writing. That, more than anything, is cause for extreme optimism - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 14:53 20
  - But again, we're comparing how the prequels are viewed *now*. How they were viewed contemporarily was an entirely different thing - Reagen Dec 12, 14:57 18
    - But the discussion seems to be aimed at "fans loved shit, now realize it was shit, but can't see that they're about to fall in love with shit again." - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:00 17
      - I'm addressing more of the box office aspect -- (edited) - Reagen Dec 12, 15:02 16
        
        I'm not sure what the argument is, then. That BO will suffer? That it'll be inflated? -- nm - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:04 15
        
        that you can't get past 100 on the hype-meter. - Reagen Dec 12, 15:08 14
        
        "Quality is irrelevant" isn't in question. But I disagree that "hype" is what's important here. Enthusiasm is a slightly different beast and - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:13 13
        
        you're speaking about it like those are two different concepts. - Reagen Dec 12, 15:19 12
        
        Then we are using hype in different ways. Fandom is responsible for enthusiasm. The studio and all the tie-in advertising is what I think of as the - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:24 11
        
        I mean it's 16 years later and a different box office environment, so yeah, of course - Reagen Dec 12, 15:27 10
        
        We'll see. I'm sure everyone will be able to point to some group's "expectations" and say "see? way over/under reality". - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:30 9
        
        A month ago, stories existed saying an opening of 300mil was on the table. Now, the guesses are 195 or so with a screen value record. - Will Hunting Dec 12, 15:41
        
        In the same way I expect to have whatever number it makes opening weekend thrown at me with a "See?!?!" while it completely misses the point of what - Reagen Dec 12, 15:40 7
        
        Usually I don't have too much trouble understanding your point, but I really am struggling to get what you mean - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:44 6
        
        also to note: - Reagen Dec 12, 15:59
        
        that the assumption that this film will walk to records is just as flawed as it was with TPM. -- (edited) - Reagen Dec 12, 15:49 4
        
        This has been said of just about every film that has taken a record or records. - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 16:01 2
        
        If I could sum this up into one thing, it's this: - Reagen Dec 12, 16:05 1
        
        Then we fundamentally disagree. I think this film shows that there is indeed "one louder". - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 16:13
        
        It's already set records. And a time of year when families traditionally go to movies together doesn't seem like a huge penalty. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 12, 15:58
  - It should, at least, be better than them. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 12, 14:56

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