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In response to "There is a different director. That is a step in the right direction. -- nm" by toblr.2

And Kasdan writing. That, more than anything, is cause for extreme optimism

Posted by TWuGbacca (aka TWuG) Dec 12 '15, 14:53

Add in a reliance on practical effects where possible and the original cast and this has WAY more going for it than the prequels.

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But again, we're comparing how the prequels are viewed *now*. How they were viewed contemporarily was an entirely different thing - Reagen Dec 12, 14:57 22
- But the discussion seems to be aimed at "fans loved shit, now realize it was shit, but can't see that they're about to fall in love with shit again." - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:00 21
  - I'm addressing more of the box office aspect -- (edited) - Reagen Dec 12, 15:02 20
    - I'm not sure what the argument is, then. That BO will suffer? That it'll be inflated? -- nm - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:04 19
      - that you can't get past 100 on the hype-meter. - Reagen Dec 12, 15:08 18
        
        "Quality is irrelevant" isn't in question. But I disagree that "hype" is what's important here. Enthusiasm is a slightly different beast and - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:13 17
        
        you're speaking about it like those are two different concepts. - Reagen Dec 12, 15:19 16
        
        Then we are using hype in different ways. Fandom is responsible for enthusiasm. The studio and all the tie-in advertising is what I think of as the - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:24 15
        
        I mean it's 16 years later and a different box office environment, so yeah, of course - Reagen Dec 12, 15:27 14
        
        We'll see. I'm sure everyone will be able to point to some group's "expectations" and say "see? way over/under reality". - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:30 13
        
        A month ago, stories existed saying an opening of 300mil was on the table. Now, the guesses are 195 or so with a screen value record. - Will Hunting Dec 12, 15:41
        
        In the same way I expect to have whatever number it makes opening weekend thrown at me with a "See?!?!" while it completely misses the point of what - Reagen Dec 12, 15:40 11
        
        Usually I don't have too much trouble understanding your point, but I really am struggling to get what you mean - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:44 10
        
        also to note: - Reagen Dec 12, 15:59
        
        that the assumption that this film will walk to records is just as flawed as it was with TPM. -- (edited) - Reagen Dec 12, 15:49 8
        
        This has been said of just about every film that has taken a record or records. - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 16:01 6
        
        If I could sum this up into one thing, it's this: - Reagen Dec 12, 16:05 5
        
        Then we fundamentally disagree. I think this film shows that there is indeed "one louder". - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 16:13 4
        
        and I think Star Wars fans are making exactly the same mistake as they did last time - Reagen Dec 12, 16:16 3
        
        In looking at the types of films that have held the box office records of late: Avengers, Jurassic Park, etc, I think SW fans *are* kings of the hill. - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 16:25 2
        
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        It's already set records. And a time of year when families traditionally go to movies together doesn't seem like a huge penalty. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 12, 15:58
It should, at least, be better than them. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 12, 14:56

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