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In response to ""Quality is irrelevant" isn't in question. But I disagree that "hype" is what's important here. Enthusiasm is a slightly different beast and" by TWuGbacca

you're speaking about it like those are two different concepts.

Posted by Reagen Dec 12 '15, 15:19

"the hype is coming from within the fandom!"

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Then we are using hype in different ways. Fandom is responsible for enthusiasm. The studio and all the tie-in advertising is what I think of as the - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:24 17
- I mean it's 16 years later and a different box office environment, so yeah, of course - Reagen Dec 12, 15:27 16
  - We'll see. I'm sure everyone will be able to point to some group's "expectations" and say "see? way over/under reality". - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:30 15
    - A month ago, stories existed saying an opening of 300mil was on the table. Now, the guesses are 195 or so with a screen value record. - Will Hunting Dec 12, 15:41
    - In the same way I expect to have whatever number it makes opening weekend thrown at me with a "See?!?!" while it completely misses the point of what - Reagen Dec 12, 15:40 13
      - Usually I don't have too much trouble understanding your point, but I really am struggling to get what you mean - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 15:44 12
        
        also to note: - Reagen Dec 12, 15:59
        
        that the assumption that this film will walk to records is just as flawed as it was with TPM. -- (edited) - Reagen Dec 12, 15:49 10
        
        This has been said of just about every film that has taken a record or records. - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 16:01 8
        
        If I could sum this up into one thing, it's this: - Reagen Dec 12, 16:05 7
        
        Then we fundamentally disagree. I think this film shows that there is indeed "one louder". - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 16:13 6
        
        and I think Star Wars fans are making exactly the same mistake as they did last time - Reagen Dec 12, 16:16 5
        
        In looking at the types of films that have held the box office records of late: Avengers, Jurassic Park, etc, I think SW fans *are* kings of the hill. - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 16:25 4
        
        then why didn't TPM beat The Lost World? -- nm - Reagen Dec 12, 16:30 2
        
        Beats me. But that was a long while ago, culture-wise. Maybe dinosaur geeks and SW geeks had less overlap? - TWuGbacca Dec 12, 16:37 1
        
        Some people seem to think they're looking at this situation as the bottom case. It's not. The bottom case is Batman Begins. -- nm - Reagen Dec 12, 16:42
        
        And there are plenty of Star Wars geeks that aren't the usual SciFi geeks. It goes beyond the usual fangirls and boys. And not one age category. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 12, 16:28
        
        It's already set records. And a time of year when families traditionally go to movies together doesn't seem like a huge penalty. -- nm - toblr.2 Dec 12, 15:58

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you're speaking about it like those are two different concepts.

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