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This week in 2008, Clinton was up 15 in a national NBC/WSJ national poll and up 10 in a Fox News poll later in the week. -- (link)

Posted by iSpam (aka spamlet) Jan 26 '16, 08:51

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"This time is different" (www.realclearpolitics.com)

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So, even Hillary in 2008 wasn't up 22. Now name the candidates who have been and how they did. -- nm - David Jan 26, 08:55 1
- She was going into Iowa (which took place on 1/3 so the poll above is three weeks *after* Iowa) -- (edited) - iSpam Jan 26, 08:56
who's the GOP's Obama that's going to take down Donaldo? -- nm - mr plow Jan 26, 08:52 30
- I still don't see how they haven't rallied behind Rubio. -- nm - JaxSean Jan 26, 09:18 10
  - Cause he's terrible? -- nm - mr plow Jan 26, 09:20 9
    - see: Trump, Cruz. -- nm - JaxSean Jan 26, 09:21 8
      - smh -- nm - Diva Jan 26, 09:24
      - It's a real problem. The party has had 8 years to produce a viable national candidate but has yet to do so. -- nm - David Jan 26, 09:22 6
        
        Few things about this 1) they did - Will Hunting Jan 26, 09:28 5
        
        Democrats have a better candidate sitting on the sideline than Republicans have produced in 8 years. - David Jan 26, 09:42 4
        
        Who's on the sideline? - Will Hunting Jan 26, 09:51 3
        
        Ms. Warren if you're nasty. - David Jan 26, 09:54 2
        
        While she's learned from the legacy of Uncle Ted (who would reach across the aisle and get things done) she's viewed as a satanic alien by the - Mel Profit Jan 26, 09:58
        
        That's true, I forgot about her. - Will Hunting Jan 26, 09:57
- No one expected Obama to do it in 2008 either. - iSpam Jan 26, 08:54 17
  - again, implicit in your post is that there's an Obama out there just waiting to take down the frontrunner. name him -- nm* - mr plow Jan 26, 09:04 16
    - My argument is that national polls are useless right now. I pulled one example to meet his criteria. - spamlet Jan 26, 09:11 15
      - It is one thing to say that they aren't definitive. It's way too much to say they are useless. -- nm - Reagen Jan 26, 09:21 3
        
        When the national polling is wrong six times in a row, I'd call it useless. - spamlet Jan 26, 09:38 2
        
        Word. -- nm - Jim Jan 26, 09:45
        
        (I agree.) - JaxSean Jan 26, 09:43
      - But even with Hillary, she still almost got the nomination. so, it's not really that those polls were meaningless. - Inigo Jan 26, 09:16
      - To this point, all you've done is post numbers as if they're telling a story. They're not. - David Jan 26, 09:14 9
        
        Clinton above (2008). Gringrich was +21 a month out from Iowa (2012). Huckabee only got to +14 a month out in 2008. - spamlet Jan 26, 09:24 8
        
        So, you can't find another example for a week out, your original assertion? - David Jan 26, 09:31 7
        
        Guys, let's just let things play out. In 7 days, we'll know if Trump's legit or not. - Will Hunting Jan 26, 09:35 5
        
        Wait, there is doubt he will win Iowa? -- nm - Spawn Jan 26, 09:37 4
        
        It's actually a coin flip between the two guys Republicans don't want to be the candidate. -- nm - David Jan 26, 09:43
        
        Cruz is polling close (and was ahead). Iowa is a conservative state for these votes. - Will Hunting Jan 26, 09:39 2
        
        Hmm. Not in the polls I have seen. -- nm - Spawn Jan 26, 09:44 1
        
        Here's a good horse-race diagram of Iowa. -- (link) - Will Hunting Jan 26, 09:52
        
        They're useless before Iowa in general but *especially* useless right now. - spamlet Jan 26, 09:35
- Rubio's going to be the comeback kid. -- nm - Max Jan 26, 08:53

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