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A friend who was firmly in Bernie's camp watched last night's town hall and came away very impressed by Hillary.

Posted by TWuG Feb 24 '16, 07:56

So I'm not terribly worried about the Dem nominee and not worried about Trump actually winning in the general.

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There is a segment of the Republicans that will not show up for Trump (and may even vote the other way). The wild card is that he is drawing people - pmb Feb 24, 08:04 9
- The primary curiosity after next Tuesday is how the Republican establishment handles their loss. - David Feb 24, 08:07 7
  - They won't. They figure they will ultimately work with him. He's more on their side than not. Though if he were to win and continue to be - pmb Feb 24, 08:09 6
    - and that's will be glorious to watch...the GOP establishment thinking he's more a R than a T. - Mel Profit Feb 24, 08:42
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    - His planned parenthood stance will be tough for some of the hard right to take. -- nm - Remlik Feb 24, 08:21 1
      - That would matter in the primary if it were going to matter, not the general. - ty97 Feb 24, 08:38
    - I suspect there's a lot of soul searching going on right now. - David Feb 24, 08:21 1
      - I doubt it. - Mel Profit Feb 24, 08:45
- That's where I think waiting on the supreme court only hurts the GOP. They are only magnifying the stakes of November -- nm - volnelk Feb 24, 08:06
Considering how impossible it seemed for Trump to win the nomination, I refuse to take anything for granted. -- nm - ty97 Feb 24, 07:58 48
- Why did Trump winning seem impossible? It only seemed unlikely because many of us wanted to believe the GOP still had the ability to act rationally. - TWuG Feb 24, 08:03 19
  - Becuase we've been raised in a world where politics has a natural order of rules. - Will Hunting Feb 24, 08:17
  - when was the last time you thought the GOP acted rationally? -- nm - Strongbad Feb 24, 08:04 10
    - The first Bush was a rational, pragmatic leader. Idisagreed with his policies in many ways, but he wasn't a "my way or fuck you" Republican. -- nm - TWuG Feb 24, 08:08
    - In all honesty it was before Obama became the democratic nominee. Before that I disagreed with them on most points, but it wasn't irrational. The - pmb Feb 24, 08:07 7
      - So Newt Gingrich, shutting the Govt down, was rational? -- nm - Strongbad Feb 24, 08:33
      - The writing has been on the wall in bright yellow highlight since 2008. The GOP lost its friggin mind when a Black man won the Oval Office. -- (edited) - Diva Feb 24, 08:25 5
        
        Yup. -- nm - pmb Feb 24, 08:57
        
        Precisely. -- nm - TWuG Feb 24, 08:29
        
        *nods* "We all knew that electing our first African-American president would change things. We just didn't realize how." - mara Feb 24, 08:29
        
        Testify. -- nm - Dark Callisto Feb 24, 08:27
        
        (and wait till a a woman wins next time) -- nm - Beaker Feb 24, 08:26
    - Trap! -- nm - David Feb 24, 08:05
  - Some of us had faith in reality holding together. -- nm - Spawn Feb 24, 08:03 6
    - Have you not paid any attention to the Republican party in the last 8 years? Opposition for opposition's sake. Taking us to the brink of default. - TWuG Feb 24, 08:06 5
      - Going out of their way to hurt the country is one thing, but to hurt themselves? -- nm - Spawn Feb 24, 08:07 4
        
        They lost control of the monster they created. -- nm - pmb Feb 24, 08:13 2
        
        They allowed Fox News and talk radio to become the primary influencer of their base. -- nm - mara Feb 24, 08:31 1
        
        I agree with this. I know it changed my rational peeps into something I didn't recognize -- nm - Epiphany Feb 24, 08:37
        
        If the leadership still had control, sure. But the fruits of their "fear everything" doctrine has come home to bite them in the ass. - TWuG Feb 24, 08:10
- There's a chasm between appealing to nutters and appealing to the masses. - David Feb 24, 08:01 26
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    - He's putting on a show, and it's fun to the frustrated. - David Feb 24, 08:17 1
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  - I don't think it's likely, but let's say it's even 20% given the economy is shaky and Hillary is not a good candidate - Will Hunting Feb 24, 08:08
  - he's so dead in the general that he leads Hillary head-to-head in Ohio right now - ML Feb 24, 08:08 18
    - This particular lefty thinks we are now well positioned to duplicate 2008. - David Feb 24, 08:15 10
      - Very well could be. But if we're wrong...that guy is in charge. - Will Hunting Feb 24, 08:19
      - Do we think turn outs for Dems will pick back up in the general? - Spawn Feb 24, 08:18 2
        
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        That is my thought/hope, as well. -- nm - Spawn Feb 24, 08:24
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        I expect the people currently refusing to hit Trump to spend their money downticket instead. - David Feb 24, 08:18 4
        
        This group is doing another million against him in... IIRC Oklahaoma and another state. -- (link) - Spawn Feb 24, 08:22 3
        
        Sure but that's chump change. Politico, which leans right no matter what they say, has chronicled the fear of billionaires to attack Trump. - David Feb 24, 08:25 2
        
        Oh, agreed. Just thinking that if they can demonstarte success again, maybe the sky opens up and it rains. -- nm - Spawn Feb 24, 08:28 1
        
        I feel like there's some sort of honor code among billionaires about this. - David Feb 24, 08:29
    - of course we've covered before that head-to-head polling at this point is meaningless -- nm - ty97 Feb 24, 08:10 6
      - Of course. But let's not have this nonsense that he's DOA. -- nm - ML Feb 24, 08:11 5
        
        I think higher of the voting public than that. -- nm - David Feb 24, 08:17 2
        
        Why? -- nm - ty97 Feb 24, 08:19 1
        
        2012 and especially 2008. - David Feb 24, 08:22
        
        Yep - we don't even know what he's going to say after (presuming) he wins the primary. -- nm - Roger More Feb 24, 08:15
        
        He's certainly not (as I said upthread). I'm terrified and horrified he has a path to winning. - ty97 Feb 24, 08:13
  - But he's a builder, David. He builds things. Like bridges. -- nm - Beryllium Feb 24, 08:02 2
    - And walls that he gets other people to pay for. -- nm - znufrii Feb 24, 08:03 1
      - To keep the voters in. -- nm - Beryllium Feb 24, 08:03
- and it's looking easy for him. -- nm - Diva Feb 24, 08:00

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