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Here is an example of a drug a pharmacist might decide they can't dispense - but it has more than one application. - Andie Mar 23, 10:42 1
- oh, and haven't some expressed a "religious" objection to the HPV vaccination? (apologies if the acronym isn't HPV) -- nm - crash davis Mar 23, 10:53
Have to say it: Having been refused service by a business for being gay, I hope more businesses start boycotting things like this. -- nm - MDH Mar 23, 10:42 13
- Stop forcing people to go to your weddings, then! - znufrii Mar 23, 10:53
- Over the years, I've been refused service, mocked by store clerks, fired from two jobs, and assaulted for being gay. - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 10:48 9
  - wtf? that is entirely awful -- nm - Epiphany Mar 23, 11:06
  - and yet we still tolerate you here - pixie ninja Mar 23, 10:52 1
    - Kind of surprising, isn't it? :-) - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 10:53
  - :-( -- nm - ML Mar 23, 10:51
  - I don't think a business can have a religion -- nm - ty97 Mar 23, 10:49 4
    - Agreed. That's the error of Hobby Lobby. -- nm - pmb Mar 23, 10:55
    - And I'm awfully concerned about the slippery slope in the personification of businesses for rights purposes -- nm* - ty97 Mar 23, 10:50 2
      - Agreed. -- nm - Krusty Mar 23, 10:57
      - I agree. I personally don't see how a business could sincerely express a religious identity. But I'm not enough of an expert ... - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 10:52
- As one who had been bullied for being gay, but is not gay, I have to wonder if such a business is open to slander/defamation suits -- nm - zeitgeist Mar 23, 10:47
- "job-killing regulations for me but not for thee" -- nm - pixie ninja Mar 23, 10:43
legal baseball: Judge Shira Scheindlin will be stepping down from the USDC for the Southern District of New York next month -- nm - pixie ninja Mar 23, 10:23
Question 3, should people be forced to attend same-sex weddings against their religious beliefs? -- nm* - znufrii Mar 23, 10:23 12
- Only to see how awesome the dancing is -- nm - ty97 Mar 23, 10:51
- (an actual provision of the Georgia bill, btw) -- nm - znufrii Mar 23, 10:48 2
  - Wow, that's dumb. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 23, 11:40
  - that is so stupid -- nm - crash davis Mar 23, 10:51
- Only if they don't have to provide a present and the food is outstanding. -- nm - crash davis Mar 23, 10:38
- Question 4, should people that RSVP Yes to a wedding then not show up with no reason provided, be tarred and feathered in a public venue - Strongbad Mar 23, 10:37
- Provided the celebrant signs a warrant, sure. -- nm - Roger More Mar 23, 10:34
- Yes, but only one of their eyes should be Clockwork Oranged open. -- nm - Ender Mar 23, 10:32
- I don't think that should people should be forced to attend weddings for any reason -- nm - JD Mar 23, 10:25 2
  - yup -- nm - decline Mar 23, 10:33
  - nodding. -- nm - Andie Mar 23, 10:26
- only ty's, and he has to pay for them all -- nm - pixie ninja Mar 23, 10:24
The Ravens will sign RB Trent Richardson if he reaches a 'physical benchmark' -- (link) - ML Mar 23, 10:20
Remember that photo of a washed-out mountain road in California I posted? Somebody improved it. -- (link) - mara Mar 23, 10:15 1
- heh -- nm - decline Mar 23, 10:34
Shane Black would like to make Doc Savage with Dwayne Johnson sometime within the next year. - Diva Mar 23, 10:07 3
- Rock has 17 minutes to spare a day...I'm sure him, Domhall Gleeson and Vikander can probably put away 2-3 movies in that time range. -- nm - Will Hunting Mar 23, 10:08 2
  - John Goodman's got some time for his bit part as well. -- nm - MDH Mar 23, 10:45
  - All The Rock needs is some some time to finish buttoning his sleeves. -- nm - ML Mar 23, 10:19
This is the best XBone bundle I've ever seen: 1TB Xbox One Console Bundle w/ 5 Games $330 - ML Mar 23, 10:07 15
- Dang that is a nice price. Haven't played RotTR, but TR was fantastic. -- nm - Shaun Mar 23, 10:20
- If the games were better I'd give it a serious thought. -- nm - Krusty Mar 23, 10:11 13
  - Man....Ori & The Blind Forest is stellar, as are the Tomb Raider games - ML Mar 23, 10:18 5
    - Never even heard of it. Platform, shooter, rpg? -- nm - Krusty Mar 23, 10:23 3
      - Which one? Ori is a side scroller, Replay is a bunch of 90's games, I think. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 23, 10:30 2
        
        Thanks. -- nm - Krusty Mar 23, 10:38 1
        
        Both Ori and Unravel are as beautiful as anything you could see in the movie theater. -- nm - Max Mar 23, 10:50
    - I think I'm very close to getting Ori & The Blind Forest or Unravel. I want a simple, Mario-type game to play occasionally. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 23, 10:23
  - Tomb Raider is great -- nm - Remlik Mar 23, 10:11 6
    - It is but I don't need two of them. I don't care for Gears and I don't know the other games. -- (edited) - Krusty Mar 23, 10:15 5
      - Keep in mind the 500GB system is $300, so you're getting double storage for $30. That's a bargain in itself there. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 23, 10:31 4
        
        That's true and I was intrigued by that aspect. I just wish it had two games I wanted to play. -- nm - Krusty Mar 23, 10:35 3
        
        I'm assuming you have played TR then? -- nm - Shaun Mar 23, 10:40 2
        
        Nope and I do want to play it. I would try hard to get the bundle if it had a game that others played as well. -- nm - Krusty Mar 23, 10:55 1
        
        I've seen it at a friend's house and it looks great. -- nm - Krusty Mar 23, 10:56
RUMOR: Axl will be taking over singing duties for AC/DC's remaining 10 shows.... -- (link) - Remlik Mar 23, 10:03 2
- Seems very strange and yet very interesting. -- nm - volnelk Mar 23, 10:05
- well, that will take care of any unsold seats. -- nm - Andie Mar 23, 10:04
2nd question (followup from below) - Strongbad Mar 23, 10:00 39
- In a broader sense, I don't think the first amendment protection should extend to retail commercial entities at all. - Max Mar 23, 10:46
- of course not. -- nm - MDH Mar 23, 10:39
- Let's say we hire a clerk at the library. It turns out he has religious beliefs that result in him refusing to check out books on atheism, or - mara Mar 23, 10:32 4
  - Practically speaking, he should not be a library clerk. But ... - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 10:43
  - I think this runs to RC's point. If it is the owner of the library, I can see it. But if the library is owned by the city or some such gov't, heck no. -- nm - crash davis Mar 23, 10:37 2
    - i would also say that i wouldn't even care about the librarian if it were a situation where someone else on site would do it instead. The business - Andie Mar 23, 10:38 1
      - This was the approach tried in Oregon that didn't work out. - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 10:46
- If the company as an entity can demonstrate a set of religious beliefs, yes. - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 10:20 15
  - then you would have companies that will only hire people of their faith, and/or practice the faith within business activities. -- nm - zeitgeist Mar 23, 10:51
  - It's also a problem, it seems to me, to determine a sincere belief. I mean, I could *say* that I have a sincere religious belief against dispensing - mara Mar 23, 10:24 10
    - Absolutely. It's always been a dilemma for the courts to determine "sincere beliefs." - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 10:40
    - nobody has a true religious belief against viagra, its only stuff pertaining to women's health that is objectionable. Geez mara, I think you'd know - crash davis Mar 23, 10:30 7
      - Does any religion really say *other* people shouldn't use birth control? Or do they just say *you* shouldn't use birth control? - mara Mar 23, 10:37 6
        
        I believe, as I stated below, this is aimed at plan B. And I'm pretty sure their feelings are no one should use it, not just believers -- nm* - crash davis Mar 23, 10:41 5
        
        Sure, but do religions really say "Our precepts apply to nonadherents"? As an "official" stance of that religion? -- nm - mara Mar 23, 10:42 4
        
        I do believe catholics consider everyone in a parish area to be members just not yet baptized -- nm - zeitgeist Mar 23, 10:56
        
        From the Catholic/Anglican/Episcopalian viewpoint, it's more a case of "adhering to our precepts means not enabling other people." -- nm - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 10:50
        
        It differs among religions as to their intensity of converting others. Parts of the big two are very aggressive in saying yeah, it applies to all. -- nm - crash davis Mar 23, 10:45
        
        i think they do - if they think an action is wrong, they certainly believe it's wrong for everyone. -- nm - Andie Mar 23, 10:43
    - under Hobby Lobby, just saying it is enough -- nm - pixie ninja Mar 23, 10:26
  - I don't like your reasoning because as to your third paragraph, we already know corporations are people. -- nm - crash davis Mar 23, 10:22 2
    - However, I can compromise. You can deny medications, and Medicare/Medicaid can deny paying you. There, its done. - crash davis Mar 23, 10:26 1
      - Yep. That is precisely the dilemma. - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 10:42
- No. He needs to carry and dispense the medication or find another job. -- nm - Krusty Mar 23, 10:17
- No, it doesn't seem like a big deal if you live in a city, but rural areas without another pharmacy for 30-50 miles and a lot of poor people need to - crash davis Mar 23, 10:12 7
  - Does your opinion change if A can prove there's a B within a 5 minute drive? -- nm - Strongbad Mar 23, 10:27 6
    - no, because A doesn't get an exemption when someone of the same religion is in the scenario I describe -- nm - crash davis Mar 23, 10:32
    - No. Just as a starting point - who says the person has a car? -- nm - Andie Mar 23, 10:28 4
      - Nobody did, I used it as a measure of distance. - Strongbad Mar 23, 10:31 3
        
        the answer is still No. What might be a minor inconvenience to some, could be very very difficult to others. -- nm - Andie Mar 23, 10:32 2
        
        (i am just answering logistically. My stronger objection is just 'you're a pharmacist, do your fucking job.' -- nm - Andie Mar 23, 10:33
        
        Understood, thanks. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 23, 10:33
- If the store owner's religion conflicts with being a pharmacist, they shouldn't be a pharmacist. -- nm - TWuG Mar 23, 10:08 1
  - this is exactly what i feel. Don't pick a profession that specifically requires doing something you feel you can't do. -- nm - Andie Mar 23, 10:22
- No. There is a time factor involved in some medications. -- nm - mara Mar 23, 10:06
- This question sounds familiar. -- nm - znufrii Mar 23, 10:04 3
  - Yes, I've asked it before. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 23, 10:17
  - and is put in an interesting way. -- nm - Roger More Mar 23, 10:11 1
    - Isn't it, though? -- nm - znufrii Mar 23, 10:36
Jetblue's a decent airline! -- nm - ty97 Mar 23, 09:48 8
- I like 'em. -- nm - Diva Mar 23, 09:51 3
  - My only concern with them is when something like weather goes bad, they don't rebook you on other airlines - ty97 Mar 23, 10:01 2
    - VA doesn't rebook and the lack of gates means they get stacked up hard - Epiphany Mar 23, 10:07 1
      - That's a common downside/risk to flying any small airline - ty97 Mar 23, 10:48
- I am going to believe you in this matter - you are the travel guru - I will dial it back some - Epiphany Mar 23, 09:49 2
  - I truly don't think American, Delta, or United would be permitted to buy them. 90% sure Southwest wouldn't be allowed either. - ty97 Mar 23, 09:51 1
    - I will continue to be hopeful -- nm - Epiphany Mar 23, 10:10
- I agree! -- nm - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 09:48
Should religious officials be required to perform marriage ceremonies that violate their stated religious beliefs? -- nm - Strongbad Mar 23, 09:43 28
- No. Nor should churches. -- nm - TWuG Mar 23, 09:50
- No. -- nm - MDH Mar 23, 09:50
- Absolutely not. -- nm - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 09:49
- it would be constitutionally impermissible -- nm - ML Mar 23, 09:47
- Of course not. They refuse to now. -- nm - mara Mar 23, 09:46 14
  - I don't think this is "of course not" worthy. It's half of the controversial bill that was mentioned on B2. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 23, 09:48 13
    - *laughing* I just realized what you're referring to. They put wording in the bill to allow something that's already allowed. -- nm - mara Mar 23, 09:53
    - I doubt that it's the controversial part though. -- nm - pmb Mar 23, 09:52 6
      - That's what I'm getting at. There's 2 components. I wanted to verify that the 2nd component is the issue. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 23, 09:57 1
        
        See below, though as to why the first component is objectionable to some. - pmb Mar 23, 09:58
      - Also of note (and why sometimes it is controversial) is that it's a law that serves no purpose. They don't have to now. It's a law to make a - pmb Mar 23, 09:53 3
        
        I think we can see, though, that it *does* serve a purpose. It makes people think there's a problem that doesn't exist. -- nm - mara Mar 23, 09:55 2
        
        *discreetly stops burning American flag* -- nm - con_carne Mar 23, 09:58
        
        Yes. It flames the fear. It's like the anti-Shariah law stuff. -- nm - pmb Mar 23, 09:56
    - Then perhaps somebody is misunderstanding something. -- nm - mara Mar 23, 09:49 4
      - or purposely misrepresenting - ty97 Mar 23, 09:50 3
        
        Wait. What? - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 09:57 2
        
        Sit down RC, I have some more truth bombs to share. - ty97 Mar 23, 09:58 1
        
        *whimper* - ReluctantCynic Mar 23, 10:24
- Nope. -- nm - Shaun Mar 23, 09:45
- No, but these types of bills are always about more than that, aren't they? -- (edited) - znufrii Mar 23, 09:44 4
  - I'm basing this off the link on B2. There were 2 key statements in the last paragraph, this being #1. - Strongbad Mar 23, 09:45 3
    - That, and the individual protections in the bill that the article doesn't mention. -- nm - znufrii Mar 23, 10:05 2
      - Exactly. It's an attempt to hide true intent behind a defensible issue. - David Mar 23, 10:07 1
        
        after reading question two, I think this is aimed at plan B rather than gay people -- nm - crash davis Mar 23, 10:23
- Are Catholic priests required today to marry a Jewish person and an atheist? -- nm - ty97 Mar 23, 09:44 1
  - I'm waiting for a good punchline to this -- nm - prayformojo Mar 23, 09:48
- no. it's a private job with a private organization. -- nm - Andie Mar 23, 09:43
Makes sense for the LA Rams to play in China. They don't have any fans to get upset about it. - Krusty Mar 23, 09:36 6
- That's a really good point. -- nm - David's iPad Mar 23, 09:41 1
  - Somehow, Jacksonville will be their opponent. -- nm - Will Hunting Mar 23, 09:42
- they will have to send the Pats as part of their punishment once Kraft gets their 1st rounder back from Emperor Goodell -- nm - Beaker Mar 23, 09:37
- Alternatively, they're already unable to sustain 8 home games a year and are looking for a payday. -- nm - Will Hunting Mar 23, 09:37 2
  - Haha! Yup. - Krusty Mar 23, 09:39 1
    - Actually, as part of a 2016 promotion, any male showing up 45 minutes prior to kickoff and is sober, gets to QB a series. - Will Hunting Mar 23, 09:40
hahahahah ESPN -- (link) - ty97 Mar 23, 09:35 1
- " Also besides the bad design (chip and joanna needa get a bunch of shiplap over there stat" - Epiphany Mar 23, 09:48
"It was a crime turducken." -- nm - David's iPad Mar 23, 09:33
is Loren Cohan in BvS???? - groiny Mar 23, 09:32 6
- imdb casting spoils - Shaun Mar 23, 09:34
- Walking Dead's Lauren Cohen joins Batman v. Superman -- (link) -- Remlik (aka remlik) Jan 23 '16, 19:00 -- nm* - Spawn Mar 23, 09:33 2
  - Isn't she a little late? They probably wrapped a few months ago. -- nm -- mud Jan 23 '16, 19:06 - Spawn Mar 23, 09:37
  - hmmm, totally missed that one. -- nm - groiny Mar 23, 09:37
- yes. Lauren Cohan is. -- nm - Diva Mar 23, 09:32 1
  - let's talk about some pizza! -- nm - groiny Mar 23, 09:38
"Lil Wayne in a three way with Wesley Snipes..." - Lil Wayne Mar 23, 09:30
Nate Cohn of NYT's Upshot has a model showing what he things the rest of the Dem primary looks like. About 53% to Hillary -- (link) - ty97 Mar 23, 09:29 2
- Green = Hillary, purple = Bernie. Darker colors equal stronger supporter for either in that county - ty97 Mar 23, 09:33
- Nice key there, Nate. -- nm - Spawn Mar 23, 09:31
Words of encouragement. -- (link) - Shaun Mar 23, 09:29 1
- That is great. -- nm - Will Hunting Mar 23, 09:39

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