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The runner-up from this season's American Idol just kissed her career goodbye: statement regarding LGBT -- (edited)

Posted by MDH (aka MDH) Apr 11 '16, 10:03

“I am one of the people who don’t really agree with that lifestyle. I wasn’t brought up that way. It wasn’t how I was raised.” Still, she added, “But I do have a lot of friends and a lot of people that I love dearly who are gay and homosexual and they’re such sweet, nice people. We should just respect each other’s differences and opinions and move on.”

Responses:

That was middle America in the 90s, now she should be getting sex tips from her friends -- nm - zeitgeist Apr 11, 13:36
Mrs. Trump #4??? -- nm - Peglegpete Apr 11, 10:34
"I really like the negros." -- nm - Mop Apr 11, 10:31 4
- good singers and dnacers! -- nm - Beaker Apr 11, 11:36
- the bible tells me we can't mix, cause we're superior, but they are pretty great otherwise -- nm - the brain Apr 11, 10:33 1
  - So long as they know their place. -- nm - Mop Apr 11, 10:43
- well, we would have no basketball without them! -- nm - groiny Apr 11, 10:33
What prompted this? The first three sentences sounds like something she's compelled to say to keep certain people in her corner - con_carne Apr 11, 10:23 8
- Here's the first part, which reads to me even worse. - MDH Apr 11, 10:25 7
  - Eh, but coexist t-shirts -- nm - Roger More Apr 11, 10:28 3
    - And I see tons of bumper stickers -- nm - amoxy Apr 11, 10:35 1
      - And it was a huge theme of U2's Vertigo tour -- nm - Shaun Apr 11, 10:38
    - Actually true, good point on that one. -- nm - MDH Apr 11, 10:30
  - Aside from the whole religious part, there's nothing to get upset about here. - Shaun Apr 11, 10:28
  - You are literally parsing her entire statements just to find the one word that triggers offense. - Will Hunting Apr 11, 10:28 1
    - I'm totally okay with our different interpretations. FWIW from my own personal experience.. - MDH Apr 11, 10:29
"you backup dancers are *adorable*" -- nm - Max Apr 11, 10:12
It's not a "lifestyle." -- nm - MDH Apr 11, 10:10 2
- Meant for groiny below. -- nm - MDH Apr 11, 10:10 1
  - *snicker* -- nm - the brain Apr 11, 10:11
Every time I hear "But I do have a lot of friends and a lot of people " it is -- (link) - amoxy Apr 11, 10:10 [youtube]
I am confused, what is so bad about what she said there? -- nm - groiny Apr 11, 10:09 37
- it's one of the least controversial statements I can imagine -- nm - ML Apr 11, 10:16 3
  - Compared to other celebrities, yeah it's kind of innocuous. - ReluctantCynic Apr 11, 10:46
  - it's pretty condescending, at best - the brain Apr 11, 10:18 1
    - that is a stretch IMO. -- nm - groiny Apr 11, 10:19
- it's essentially "bless those gays' hearts" -- nm - the brain Apr 11, 10:10 32
  - This. The whole "aren't you cute and fun!" but the second you want equal rights/etc get real. -- nm - MDH Apr 11, 10:13 31
    - I'm reading it completely differently. I think she's coming from a place of abject ignorance, not malice. - ReluctantCynic Apr 11, 10:36
    - so it is not possible to not agree with it, but also to be tolerant to it? - groiny Apr 11, 10:16 29
      - Oh it totally is but "lifestyle" shows she's not tolerant. You just don't say that when you're trying to be a celebrity. -- nm - MDH Apr 11, 10:17 28
        
        It shows ignorance. Not necessarily intolerance. -- nm - pmb Apr 11, 10:26 1
        
        i agree with this. i totally understand the problem with the word, but to me it sounds like someone who has very little larger-world life - Andie Apr 11, 10:34
        
        No, it shows she used a word that isn't accurate. -- nm - Will Hunting Apr 11, 10:19 24
        
        She didn't choose that word by accident -- nm - znufrii Apr 11, 10:27 23
        
        How do you know? -- nm - ReluctantCynic Apr 11, 10:48 2
        
        Oh, honey. -- nm - Shaun Apr 11, 10:49
        
        HEH -- nm - groiny Apr 11, 10:49
        
        It's the word that's most often used to describe how people live. - Will Hunting Apr 11, 10:29 14
        
        It's also a word often used to argue for the denial of rights to gay people, as if it were something chosen. - znufrii Apr 11, 10:34 13
        
        So, what is the proper word so I don't get attacked for using lifestyle - Will Hunting Apr 11, 10:39 12
        
        Oh, honey. -- nm - znufrii Apr 11, 10:44 5
        
        What's the word? - Will Hunting Apr 11, 10:46 4
        
        I don't hear a lot of people say "I support the gay lifestyle", they are more likely to say something like "I support equality" or "I support the LGBT - Roger More Apr 11, 11:02
        
        apparently not. - groiny Apr 11, 10:48
        
        is there one word to describe living as a straight person? -- nm - Andie Apr 11, 10:48 1
        
        boring? - Epiphany Apr 11, 11:11
        
        I think you you ever use "lifestyle" to describe someone who identifies as LGBTQ, you're going to get flack, because - TWuG Apr 11, 10:43 5
        
        It's 'Oh, honey' obviously, since znu was trying to help you. -- nm - Shaun Apr 11, 10:47
        
        What's the word then? - Will Hunting Apr 11, 10:45 3
        
        If you want to be clear that someone is LBGTQ when describing then, just use "gay" or "lesbian" or any of the other descriptors indicated by LBGTQ - TWuG Apr 11, 10:54
        
        "Sexual orientation." Or "romantic attractions." - ReluctantCynic Apr 11, 10:48 1
        
        Thank you for the legitimate answer. -- nm - Will Hunting Apr 11, 10:54
        
        you know this how, exactly???? -- nm - groiny Apr 11, 10:28 4
        
        Because it's a common part of the vernacular of the culture in which she was raised. - znufrii Apr 11, 10:31 3
        
        And which culture is that? - ReluctantCynic Apr 11, 10:44 2
        
        You've managed to nail down the relevant points, pretty much. - znufrii Apr 11, 10:49 1
        
        My question is -- "How do you know what her cultural background is based on what she said in that quotation?" - ReluctantCynic Apr 11, 10:51
        
        it may be just a poor choice of words by someone who really is not all that educated in it. -- nm - groiny Apr 11, 10:18
that's a bold statement from the last runner-up on American Idol -- nm - the brain Apr 11, 10:07
Oh, honey. -- nm - znufrii Apr 11, 10:05 19
- She's also now posting videos "thanking her supporters." Sigh, she doesn't realize how small that segment has become. -- nm - MDH Apr 11, 10:08 18
  - Yeah, they only had 13mil viewers for the finale. - Will Hunting Apr 11, 10:12
  - Am I missing something? I get the "I don't agree with that lifestyle" issue, but isn't the "live and let live" statement at the end kind of the ideal viewpoint for someone who has cultural or religious objections? -- (edited) - pmb Apr 11, 10:09 16
    - If she actually practices that philosophy, sure. But I'd lay money it's probably - TWuG Apr 11, 10:17
    - 'Live and let live' is often conflated with 'you do your thing, I'll do mine and let's never inter-act'. -- nm - Roger More Apr 11, 10:14 9
      - Yes, but she says it in the context of having gay friends that she loves. So that doesn't seem to be the context. -- nm - pmb Apr 11, 10:18 7
        
        Replace "gay" with "black" and I think it reads as casual racism couched in "I'm not racist" rhetoric. -- nm - TWuG Apr 11, 10:19 6
        
        I think that's a bit of a stretch. Again, I get that there's ignorance there. I totally get not agreeing with her views. I just think that in the - pmb Apr 11, 10:24 2
        
        It's casual homophobia, which is, perhaps, best case for a religious person of her stripe. - TWuG Apr 11, 10:30
        
        Maybe vilified is too strong, but from what she said I can understand why gay people would choose not to support her career. -- nm - Roger More Apr 11, 10:27
        
        Exactly. "I don't agree with the black lifestyle" That's the same thing. -- nm - MDH Apr 11, 10:22 2
        
        That's ignorance. No question. But she's not being intolerant. I'd rather save my energy for the people who are intolerant. -- nm - pmb Apr 11, 10:25
        
        again, not a great choice of words, for sure, but I highly doubt she meant this as offensive. - groiny Apr 11, 10:24
      - A whole lot of Americans were live and let live until the word "marriage" got involved. -- nm - MDH Apr 11, 10:15
    - Bigotry is not a matter of "opinion" -- nm - znufrii Apr 11, 10:12 4
      - Ok, I get ignorance here, but she seems to be trying to not be a bigot about it. Again for someone who is ignorant, or who has religious objections - pmb Apr 11, 10:17 3
        
        To my reading of it, she seems to be saying that respect for differences and opinions should go both ways. -- nm - znufrii Apr 11, 10:26 1
        
        Yep. "My soft bigotry is as valid as your desire for equality." -- nm - TWuG Apr 11, 10:32
        
        yup, I agree with poombah -- nm - groiny Apr 11, 10:19

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