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considering the evolution of batman from inception to now, what do we think are batman's core values?

Posted by frankenstein loves mandy lane (aka amanda) Oct 29 '08, 09:02

I'm looking for the constants. I think, for instance, that new batman is less about revenge than traditional batman. so maybe that value reduces to "justice" or "morality."

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DC Comics has a weekly series called Trinity. Bats, Supes and WW. It started out strong and crashed hard but it was interesting to see how the three - Spawn Oct 29, 09:21 2
- I think it's stayed pretty strong myself. Unlike countdown. -- nm - Remlik Oct 29, 09:23 1
  - It had been the first thing I read each week, but the last issue I could not even finish. -- nm - Spawn Oct 29, 09:24
lonely; moody; dangerous -- nm - Callisto Oct 29, 09:11 11
- god, I have *such* a crush on him. -- nm - frankenstein loves mandy lane Oct 29, 09:13
- in other words, someone that women want -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:13 9
  - Used to want, but not anymore. Although I'd gold-dig him. -- nm - Amy of Darkness Oct 29, 09:16 5
    - so it's Bruce you want. -- nm - Remlik Oct 29, 09:23 4
      - I'm just tired of being sorta poor. I really do want Superman. I already have an obsessive freak who won't leave the computer and unleases vengeance - Amy of Darkness Oct 29, 09:26 2
        
        L% -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:27 1
        
        laughing so hard that I hit the shift key at the same times as the 5 -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:28
      - She married Bruce (without the money). -- nm - Spawn Oct 29, 09:25
  - totally. -- nm - Callisto Oct 29, 09:14 2
    - seriously. hubba hubba. -- nm - frankenstein loves mandy lane Oct 29, 09:15 1
      - "I always said, if I had to fuck a guy... I mean had to, if my life depended on it... I'd fuck Batman." - Spawn Oct 29, 09:17
Driven -- nm - Spawn Oct 29, 09:09 1
- he is, isn't he? he's committed. -- nm - frankenstein loves mandy lane Oct 29, 09:12
Noblesse oblige and secular humanism. -- nm - emoticreature Oct 29, 09:09 3
- The idea of him being a dark "knight" isn't accidental, I don't think -- nm - Reagen Oct 29, 09:12 2
  - I'm impressed with emoti, and bummed with myself for not saying noblesse oblige -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:18 1
    - *blushes* I think about Batman probably more than a grown man should. Yours are equally important. -- nm - emoticreature Oct 29, 09:21
protect the innocent. bring the guilty to justice. and to make sure what happened to him never happens again. -- nm - Remlik Oct 29, 09:09
It's not a "value", but I aways think of him as being totally nuts. Mental illness is part of his brand i.d. to me. -- nm - Amy of Darkness Oct 29, 09:08 8
- These are some of the most interesting stories when dealt with properly. Likewise the Venom story, where he became a Drug Addict for Justice. -- nm - emoticreature Oct 29, 09:12
- *love* you -- nm - Frank Miller Oct 29, 09:11
- his 'obession' for justice will and has pushed him over the edge. -- nm - Remlik Oct 29, 09:11 5
  - You'd know this better than I but isn't the point that he doesn't go over the edge? - Mel Profit Oct 29, 09:14
  - The edge of what we may call sane, but actually into a higher realm of thinking. -- nm - Spawn Oct 29, 09:12 3
    - He will *never* be happy. Superman has a shot at being happy. Chrisxie and I are optimists, see? -- nm - Amy of Darkness Oct 29, 09:14 1
      - Happiness is overrated. -- nm - ::gruff voice:: Oct 29, 09:18
    - for the most part. Sometimes he does go off the reservation. -- nm - Remlik Oct 29, 09:13
The best of what a man can be if he puts himself into it full force. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Oct 29, 09:08 9
- do we think batman is a more inspirational superhero than is superman because his power is *attainable*? -- nm - frankenstein loves mandy lane Oct 29, 09:10 8
  - yes. He has to work for it. Superman can do anything and he's boring in the process. -- nm - Callisto Oct 29, 09:14
  - Absolutely. Superman is a god, with all its arrogance and sense of entitlement. Batman is a striver. -- nm - emoticreature Oct 29, 09:14
  - that is what initially attracted me to the character as a kid -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:13
  - in the way that Batman is human and if we were as driven we could be Batman. Superman serves to inspire... - Remlik Oct 29, 09:12 4
    - Exactly. Superman's greatest strength is his image, where Batman's is what he accomplishes. - Spawn Oct 29, 09:14 3
      - At the end of the day, Superman can poop diamonds. -- nm - Amy of Darkness Oct 29, 09:17 2
        
        but they'd only be industrial quality, so he'd have to sell them to .....Wayne Enterprises -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:20 1
        
        which would then use them in experiments to create synthetic Kryptonite...so he'd have a back up when Supes goes Rogue. -- nm - Remlik Oct 29, 09:24
responsibility to better your own society - TFox Oct 29, 09:06 1
- Yeah, he's like Mr Rogers in a cape. Totally. -- nm - Beryllium Oct 29, 09:07
SOCIALISM!!! -- nm - irrational Republican nutjob Oct 29, 09:06
revenge was my answer! Also, I think he stands out because he doesn't kill people. -- nm - Amy of Darkness Oct 29, 09:04 6
- I wonder if maybe "Vengeance" works better than "Revenge" in this instance -- nm - Beryllium Oct 29, 09:06 1
  - "I am vengence, I am the night, I am Batman!" -- nm - Spawn Oct 29, 09:13
- wha?! - pigby Oct 29, 09:05 3
  - Right and wrong. -- nm - Spawn Oct 29, 09:15
  - if you use Frank Miller as canon, you have to acknowledge that Supes cheated on Lois Lane -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:11
  - Traditionally. -- nm - Amy of Darkness Oct 29, 09:06
He's a maverick. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 29, 09:04
justice over legality -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:03 6
- fascism - pigby Oct 29, 09:05 1
  - no, the adherence to laws rather than what is morally right is what makes Supes a fascist -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:06
- also, the triumph of intellect over brawn -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:04 3
  - this is nice. (I wonder if I can credit ticker talk in my deck.) -- nm - frankenstein loves mandy lane Oct 29, 09:07
  - now i know what the McCain supporters feel like here -- nm - pigby Oct 29, 09:06 1
    - McCain over Obama makes more sense than Superman over Batman -- nm - crash davis Oct 29, 09:07

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