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In response to "Mel REB2, most of what I've seen have been young. One gentleman who was 50, maybe a couple in their 30s" by ty97

that what makes it especially sad, I agree. Maybe this will be the time we make some changes.

Posted by Mel Profit (aka mel profit) Jun 13 '16, 14:17

you guys are a stubborn bunch. You've had to be. Me, as a middle aged, hetero, white guy - tends to be more lackadaisical.

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I doubt anything changes - ty97 Jun 13, 14:21 31
- I think part of the % would go up if people actually understood what an "assault weapon" was. -- nm - groiny Jun 13, 14:22 30
  - Since there is no such thing as an "assault weapon", it's whatever they decided they wanted it to be... -- nm - SGTAmerica #TeamCap Jun 13, 14:34 5
    - I defer to your expertise on this obviously but there are definitions out there. - Mel Profit Jun 13, 15:07
    - My guess is that if you gave people a list and description of various weapons, people would be in agreement 90% of the time on what constitutes an - pmb Jun 13, 14:39 3
      - Which is fine in an "I know it when I see it" way, but legislation needs to be more precise. - TWuG Jun 13, 14:49 1
        
        Sure, but my point is that I think you'd find pretty broad agreement on the parameters if it was approached in an intellectually honest way. -- nm - pmb Jun 13, 14:52
      - Yup. -- nm - Krusty Jun 13, 14:45
  - we understood it perfectly fine when they were banned -- nm - senor dentista Jun 13, 14:24 23
    - why were the un-banned? -- nm - groiny Jun 13, 14:24 22
      - The law had an expiration date, so to speak, built into it. -- nm* - mara Jun 13, 14:25
      - NRA stopped it from being renewed in 2004 -- nm* - senor dentista Jun 13, 14:25 20
        
        Why didn't the Democrat majorities renew it during Obama's first 2 years? -- nm - Strongbad Jun 13, 15:07 1
        
        Blue Dog Dems -- nm - TWuG Jun 13, 15:21
        
        NRA did? -- nm - groiny Jun 13, 14:26 17
        
        also, the gun lobby makes a good portion of their profits off of assault rifles. - Mel Profit Jun 13, 14:38 3
        
        if you are gonna buy a gun, why not want to buy the top of the line gun? - groiny Jun 13, 14:39 2
        
        the use case for an AR-15 being a hunting weapon is intellectually dishonest. Ditto home defense. - Mel Profit Jun 13, 14:47 1
        
        I have never fired them, so I have no idea. I have heard good things about the AR line - groiny Jun 13, 14:51
        
        "The groups have lobbied vehemently to keep the legislation from reaching the floor." -- (link) - senor dentista Jun 13, 14:30
        
        Lobbied hard and backed it up with campaign dollars and the threat of withholding them -- nm - TWuG Jun 13, 14:28 11
        
        ultimately, the politicians did it. The NRA just knew who to pay. -- nm - groiny Jun 13, 14:29 10
        
        Of course, in the end the legislators voted, but lobbying money (for this and other groups) is a major known influence in our politics -- nm - ty97 Jun 13, 14:31
        
        Absent the NRA and its funds, the legislation passes. -- nm - TWuG Jun 13, 14:30 8
        
        absent greedy politicians, the legislation passes. - groiny Jun 13, 14:34 7
        
        Implicit in my statement is that politicians are weathervanes that follow the flow of money. -- nm - TWuG Jun 13, 14:53 1
        
        which there is no debate, hence my aversion to politics. - groiny Jun 13, 14:55
        
        damn you greedy politicians for voting exactly how your contributors want you to vote -- nm - senor dentista Jun 13, 14:36 1
        
        well, that is how you end up where you are today. Hope you like your fat wallets! -- nm - groiny Jun 13, 14:37
        
        Sure, but we know money is a major influence in our politics. I dislike that. You dislike that. I hope we all dislike that. - ty97 Jun 13, 14:35 2
        
        so just accept it because there is nothing we can do about it? - groiny Jun 13, 14:38 1
        
        Not at all! I don't think we should accept it. I think we must absolutely change it. -- (edited) - ty97 Jun 13, 14:41

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that what makes it especially sad, I agree. Maybe this will be the time we make some changes.

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