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In response to "that what makes it especially sad, I agree. Maybe this will be the time we make some changes. " by Mel Profit

I doubt anything changes

Posted by ty97 Jun 13 '16, 14:21

Only 45% of Americans today support an assault weapons ban (WTF is my 'word' of the day)

Wikipedia (grain of salt, breaking news, could be corrected) has the names and ages of 48 of the victims:

Stanley Almodovar III, age 23
Amanda Alvear, 25
Oscar A. Aracena-Montero, 26
Rodolfo Ayala-Ayala, 33
Alejandro Barrios Martinez, 21
Martin Benitez Torres, 33
Antonio D. Brown, 29
Darryl R. Burt II, 29
Jonathan A. Camuy Vega, 24
Angel L. Candelario-Padro, 28
Simon A. Carrillo Fernandez, 31
Juan Chevez-Martinez, 25
Luis D. Conde, 39
Cory J. Connell, 21
Tevin E. Crosby, 25
Franky J. Dejesus Velazquez, 50
Deonka D. Drayton, 32
Mercedez M. Flores, 26
Juan R. Guerrero, 22
Peter O. Gonzalez-Cruz, 22
Paul T. Henry, 41
Frank Hernandez, 27
Miguel A. Honorato, 30
Javier Jorge-Reyes, 40
Jason B. Josaphat, 19
Eddie J. Justice, 30
Anthony L. Laureanodisla, 25
Christopher A. Leinonen, 32
Brenda L. Marquez McCool, 49
Jean C. Mendez Perez, 35
Kimberly Morris, 37
Akyra Monet Murray, 18
Luis O. Ocasio-Capo, 20
Eric I. Ortiz-Rivera, 36
Joel Rayon Paniagua, 32
Enrique L. Rios Jr., 25
Yilmary Rodriguez Sulivan, 24
Christopher J. Sanfeliz, 24
Xavier E. Serrano Rosado, 35
Gilberto R. Silva Menendez, 25
Edward Sotomayor Jr., 34
Shane E. Tomlinson, 33
Leroy Valentin Fernandez, 25
Juan P. Rivera Velazquez, 37
Luis S. Vielma, 22
Luis D. Wilson-Leon, 37
Jerónimo Uribe Moreno, 34
Jerald A. Wright, 31

Responses:

I think part of the % would go up if people actually understood what an "assault weapon" was. -- nm - groiny Jun 13, 14:22 30
- Since there is no such thing as an "assault weapon", it's whatever they decided they wanted it to be... -- nm - SGTAmerica #TeamCap Jun 13, 14:34 5
  - I defer to your expertise on this obviously but there are definitions out there. - Mel Profit Jun 13, 15:07
  - My guess is that if you gave people a list and description of various weapons, people would be in agreement 90% of the time on what constitutes an - pmb Jun 13, 14:39 3
    - Which is fine in an "I know it when I see it" way, but legislation needs to be more precise. - TWuG Jun 13, 14:49 1
      - Sure, but my point is that I think you'd find pretty broad agreement on the parameters if it was approached in an intellectually honest way. -- nm - pmb Jun 13, 14:52
    - Yup. -- nm - Krusty Jun 13, 14:45
- we understood it perfectly fine when they were banned -- nm - senor dentista Jun 13, 14:24 23
  - why were the un-banned? -- nm - groiny Jun 13, 14:24 22
    - The law had an expiration date, so to speak, built into it. -- nm* - mara Jun 13, 14:25
    - NRA stopped it from being renewed in 2004 -- nm* - senor dentista Jun 13, 14:25 20
      - Why didn't the Democrat majorities renew it during Obama's first 2 years? -- nm - Strongbad Jun 13, 15:07 1
        
        Blue Dog Dems -- nm - TWuG Jun 13, 15:21
      - NRA did? -- nm - groiny Jun 13, 14:26 17
        
        also, the gun lobby makes a good portion of their profits off of assault rifles. - Mel Profit Jun 13, 14:38 3
        
        if you are gonna buy a gun, why not want to buy the top of the line gun? - groiny Jun 13, 14:39 2
        
        the use case for an AR-15 being a hunting weapon is intellectually dishonest. Ditto home defense. - Mel Profit Jun 13, 14:47 1
        
        I have never fired them, so I have no idea. I have heard good things about the AR line - groiny Jun 13, 14:51
        
        "The groups have lobbied vehemently to keep the legislation from reaching the floor." -- (link) - senor dentista Jun 13, 14:30
        
        Lobbied hard and backed it up with campaign dollars and the threat of withholding them -- nm - TWuG Jun 13, 14:28 11
        
        ultimately, the politicians did it. The NRA just knew who to pay. -- nm - groiny Jun 13, 14:29 10
        
        Of course, in the end the legislators voted, but lobbying money (for this and other groups) is a major known influence in our politics -- nm - ty97 Jun 13, 14:31
        
        Absent the NRA and its funds, the legislation passes. -- nm - TWuG Jun 13, 14:30 8
        
        absent greedy politicians, the legislation passes. - groiny Jun 13, 14:34 7
        
        Implicit in my statement is that politicians are weathervanes that follow the flow of money. -- nm - TWuG Jun 13, 14:53 1
        
        which there is no debate, hence my aversion to politics. - groiny Jun 13, 14:55
        
        damn you greedy politicians for voting exactly how your contributors want you to vote -- nm - senor dentista Jun 13, 14:36 1
        
        well, that is how you end up where you are today. Hope you like your fat wallets! -- nm - groiny Jun 13, 14:37
        
        Sure, but we know money is a major influence in our politics. I dislike that. You dislike that. I hope we all dislike that. - ty97 Jun 13, 14:35 2
        
        so just accept it because there is nothing we can do about it? - groiny Jun 13, 14:38 1
        
        Not at all! I don't think we should accept it. I think we must absolutely change it. -- (edited) - ty97 Jun 13, 14:41

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