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In all these various gun arguments going back and forth, I struggle with one key concept. (Semi-long rant question) -- (edited) - Volnelk Jun 22, 19:57 26
- I've seen some tweets that say it's not even the no-fly list that would be used. It's a (larger?) "terror watch list" -- nm - ty97 Jun 22, 20:08 6
  - My main point is the idea that the government that wrote the 2nd amendment is the same government that made the no-fly list. The US Government. - Volnelk Jun 22, 20:11 3
    - because typically they see the government as some "other" - Reagen Jun 22, 20:16
    - I'm not sure if some of these folks would agree that it's the same government. - ty97 Jun 22, 20:15 1
      - Probably right. But by that logic, that group of people wouldn't fight in the armed forces, etc. - Volnelk Jun 22, 20:19
  - A difference of a couple thousand suspects, at most -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 20:09
  - which is rather secret with no visibility to the monitoring/control (or lack thereof) of the quality, let alone ability to appeal -- nm - ty97 Jun 22, 20:09
- I can understand being skeptical of the no-fly list, because it's a byzantine and unappealable restriction - Reagen Jun 22, 20:04 2
  - did I ever mention how I was denied the American side of the Nexus card because my name resembled one on a no-fly list? - mafic Jun 22, 20:08 1
    - I frequently have to get police clearances for volunteer work. I *always* get called back in for secondary fingerprinting because - Reagen Jun 22, 20:11
- i get it. it's extreme, but i get it. also, regardless of how you feel about the US government, we've all seen Red Dawn. - colin Jun 22, 20:03 5
  - Basing security policy on John Milius' wet dreams is a solid plan -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 20:08 1
    - at least it's a plan. -- nm* - colin Jun 22, 20:12
  - hate keeps you warm at night? -- nm - Reagen Jun 22, 20:05 2
    - fear. -- nm - colin Jun 22, 20:08 1
      - see, cause you're C. Thomas Howell. -- nm - Reagen Jun 22, 20:11
- Well, as it pertains to the no-fly list, the media is littered with stories of racism and pure idiocy guiding the interpretation of that list. - Beryllium Jun 22, 20:00 9
  - Regardless, wouldn't it follow that if in any way you are saying a person is not to be trusted, shouldn't that lack of trust be pervasive? - Volnelk Jun 22, 20:03 7
    - It isn't just "they" that are on the watch list. It is anyone who shares their name. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 22, 20:11 6
      - I mean, keep in mind that I support pervasive gun control for the entire nation - nay, continent. But this approach is ... - Beryllium Jun 22, 20:13 5
        
        I didn't intend for this to really be about the list. It was more about trusting the government, period. -- nm - Volnelk Jun 22, 20:14
        
        Also, the gun problem isn't about terrorists or muslims. It's about white-ass fucknuts with anger and entitlement issues. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 22, 20:14 3
        
        That might be closer to the problem. They feel that they are "real" Americans entitled to interpret the Constitution their way because they don't tru - . Jun 22, 20:21 2
        
        See my response above. Then you'd think that same group wouldn't fight in the armed forces, etc. -- nm - Volnelk Jun 22, 20:22 1
        
        Didn't say it answered the whole thing. Though I think to some degree they join up because it adds to the entitlement. - . Jun 22, 20:26
  - (And when I say racism, I also mean religious persecution partly driven by outward appearances) -- nm - Beryllium Jun 22, 20:00
Gohmert is on the floor yelling "RADICAL ISLAM KILLED THESE PEOPLE" at #NoBillNoBreak -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 19:55 7
- it occurs to me that for at least some of these guys, it has to feel like when lawn darts were banned because one dumb kid died. -- nm - Reagen Jun 22, 20:03
- Texas A&M education at work. -- nm - David Jun 22, 19:57 3
  - Damn. -- nm - MDH Jun 22, 20:17
  - ugh, I didn't realize he was ours :( -- nm - ty97 Jun 22, 20:06 1
    - (I actually almost didn't hit submit since it felt too mean.) -- nm - David Jun 22, 20:09
- That was pretty wild. I'm watching CNN waiting for a fistfight to break out. -- nm - Max Jun 22, 19:55 1
  - See, *this* is reality tv. -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 20:03
Hey Pixie...Sorkin is having an online master writing class... -- (link) - Remlik Jun 22, 19:47 1
- Thanks for the warning -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 20:09
John Lewis has asked Democrats to stay the night in the House. -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 19:46 1
- "but I am le tired..." -- nm - colin Jun 22, 19:47
Spawn.... - Remlik Jun 22, 19:42 1
- nice -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 19:46
So. The Shallows. C. -- nm - Andie Jun 22, 19:27 17
- oh that's a bummer. I liked the trailer... -- nm - Remlik Jun 22, 19:40
- Also, everything about that movie says terrible... the grade sounds right, having never seen it. -- nm - colin Jun 22, 19:30 14
  - I pretty much avoid Blake Lively movies. -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 19:31 13
    - The first 15 minutes is just lingering beauty shots of her, to be fair, spectacular body. -- nm - Andie Jun 22, 19:37 11
      - L.A. face with an Oakland booty. -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 19:48 8
        
        how does it feel to be a racist? -- nm - colin Jun 22, 19:48 7
        
        but it was ok when Katy Perry and one of the Kardashians said it earlier? and Sir Mix A lot disagree with that as well.... -- (link) - Remlik Jun 22, 19:56 5
        
        oh, is Sir Mix A Lot now the spokesperson for all black people? typical white person... -- nm - colin Jun 22, 20:07 3 1
        
        A well known fellow connoisseur of the female form. -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 20:10
        
        it does go to the question of whether people can have their own valid interpretation of what something is about, outside the artist's intent. - mafic Jun 22, 20:10 1
        
        i'm just angry we're still talking about it... - colin Jun 22, 20:14
        
        nothing the Kardashians do is ever OK, but I like Katy Perry because she has a cat called Kitty Purry, so I'm torn. -- nm - mafic Jun 22, 19:58
        
        Not bad. -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 19:53
      - her body double looks fantastic too. -- nm - colin Jun 22, 19:47
      - she plays the shark, right? -- nm - mafic Jun 22, 19:40
    - yeaaah. never been a fan. -- nm - colin Jun 22, 19:35
- The Lobster - B+ (Act 1, A+, Acts 4 to 7, C+, Act 8 and 9, D) -- nm - colin Jun 22, 19:29
Can't help thinking there'll be howls in the HSX community when those double delists are *finally* corrected. - Meg Jun 22, 19:16 5
- The statute of limitations should have passed on that by now. -- nm - Roger More Jun 22, 19:40
- Meanwhile, I'm sitting here going "take the money back already so I know what I have left to work with!" -- nm - ty97 Jun 22, 19:35
- maybe a bunch of them will get pissed, leave, and start up their own message board thing .. - call me Ishmael Jun 22, 19:35 1
  - And seems there was a hiccup with the option IPOs today. One of them IPO'd at the strike price, rather than $2. - Meg Jun 22, 19:44
- They can take the money back I just want to keep my leaderboard gains. -- nm - Max Jun 22, 19:20
I hope this doesn't mean anything, but senate officers weren't dismissed this evening - put in plain clothes on the - b. Jun 22, 19:06
It's getting real in the house. -- nm - Mel Profit Jun 22, 19:06 6
- hey, responded. thanks Mel. thanks, colin. -- nm - colin Jun 22, 19:28
- ~true story~ -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 19:08
- while I was typing.. ay, what now? -- nm - b. Jun 22, 19:07 3
  - ah, I see. nm but: -- (link) - b. Jun 22, 19:08 2
    - the chant -- (link) - Spawn Jun 22, 19:11 1
      - live -- (link) - Spawn Jun 22, 19:28
STIS: we have an accent chair being delivered tomorrow. It's going 15 feet inside the house, first floor. I got rid of the old chair so they're not -- (edited) - kelly Jun 22, 18:55 9
- this is one of my favourite things about Australia. you basically don't tip anyone (wages are higher, so it's not like people rely on it). -- nm - mafic Jun 22, 19:24 6
  - i like when brits travel to other countries and act offended that tipping is part of the culture there. -- nm - colin Jun 22, 19:36 5
    - Isn't that really just the US and parts of Canada you have tainted? -- nm - Roger More Jun 22, 19:39 4
      - no, there's a lot of europe where it's nice to leave the small change from a bar transaction. -- nm - colin Jun 22, 19:41 3
        
        I'm being glib, but a couple of coins in change is nothing like the tipping culture you have. - Roger More Jun 22, 20:45
        
        I liked that I was a hero in Prague for leaving the equivalent of 50 cents. -- nm - Reagen Jun 22, 20:06 1
        
        it's the thought in most cases...it's not much, but it's nice. -- nm - colin Jun 22, 20:11
- five dollah -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 18:57 1
  - yah, that's my first thought. if it's two people, maybe a couple each. -- nm - b. Jun 22, 18:58
Tornado warning! DOOOOOOOOOM -- nm - ML Jun 22, 18:53 2
- The tornado's just bringing more birthday presents! -- nm - prayformojo Jun 22, 18:54 1
  - Cow. -- nm - ML Jun 22, 18:58
CTTP: I deleted two years of school emails today. #? -- nm - Reagen Jun 22, 18:43 14
- 3,125 -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 18:48
- from school to you? 312....emails from fellow students 31,500 -- nm - zeitgeist Jun 22, 18:46 5
  - i would be surprised if kids today used actual email a lot -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 18:48 4
    - If they want to contact me, they do - Reagen Jun 22, 18:49 3
      - snapchat, bruh -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 18:52 1
        
        I'll just forward my name on to Chris Hansen in advance and save everyone some time. -- nm - Reagen Jun 22, 18:54
      - Don't stand so close to me. -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 18:51
- 5500. -- nm - b. Jun 22, 18:44
- 2319 -- nm - prayformojo Jun 22, 18:44
- 31,250 -- nm - mud Jun 22, 18:44
- 1999 -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 18:44 3
  - among the flood of entries this wins: 1685 -- nm - Reagen Jun 22, 18:57 2
    - what do i win? -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 18:57 1
      - an email reply - Beryllium Jun 22, 19:18
Caught Mrs Flavorize looking at ST---"What a weird site!" she said. Then she surfed away -- nm - Flavorize Jun 22, 18:40 4
- Hey Bery, how about a feature that shows a page of technical discussion, arcane boring *when someone opens it without a login* -- nm - zeitgeist Jun 22, 19:06 1
  - Even more boring: a signup landing page -- nm - Beryllium Jun 22, 19:18
- *running in...Nekkid and Crazy...running out* -- nm - Nekkid Crazy Mel Jun 22, 19:00 1
  - Haha! :-) -- nm - Krusty Jun 22, 19:03
Relatives posting on FB about Obama giving secret hand signal to Muslims. The signal? - Volnelk Jun 22, 18:35 4
- puppy dog head tilt, what does it mean when drumpf does it, and he does it all the time, that I can tell you, and he does it best, really great.... -- nm - zeitgeist Jun 22, 18:49
- now *there's* your conspiracy theory - Muslims have infiltrated the NBA and rigged the series! -- nm - prayformojo Jun 22, 18:43
- Seems legit -- nm - ML Jun 22, 18:42 1
  - 'Joe Namath seen secretly signaling Muslim brotherhood as he leaves the field following Super Bowl win.' -- nm - Volnelk Jun 22, 18:43
ancient naval base found near Athens -- (link) - Peglegpete Jun 22, 17:54
max news network: artifacts found that could be linked to the Lost Colony of Roanoke! -- (link) - gerald Jun 22, 17:53 1
- Still no bones! -- nm - Max Jun 22, 19:36
Thank you for the birthday wishes today ST! - ML Jun 22, 17:44 9
- Hope you had a great day ML -- nm - amoxy Jun 22, 19:35
- Happy Birthday! -- nm - . Jun 22, 19:23
- oh man, Happy Birthday ML!! -- nm - Jovian Jun 22, 19:10
- Hey, happy birthday! -- nm - kelly Jun 22, 18:17
- nice! -- nm - Remlik Jun 22, 18:05
- That's awesome on all counts! -- nm - MDH Jun 22, 18:02
- note: also good for peeping at the neighbors...nm - x Jun 22, 17:59
- Nice! That's a great gift. - Krusty Jun 22, 17:51
- v. cool! :) - -- nm - b. Jun 22, 17:45
My Mr. No Personality was just in the store and was chattier than I've ever known him - - Meg Jun 22, 17:17
PSA: Pretty Girls by Karin Slaughter is only $1.99 on Amazon. It's not for the faint-hearted, but it's a good page turner. nm -- (edited) - ralph wiggum Jun 22, 17:17 6
- does fiction really "not get any better than this"?... - x Jun 22, 17:28 5
  - I just finished the Brilliance trilogy a little bit ago so needed a book rec, thanks! -- nm - ty97 Jun 22, 17:47 2
    - Then start the Reckoners trilogy. -- nm - ML Jun 22, 18:04 1
      - I second this emotion -- nm - Beaker Jun 22, 18:15
  - This one is mostly plot-ty, but it's better written than these pot boilers often are. - ralph wiggum Jun 22, 17:40 1
    - i'm generally a plot guy, so that's promising. i also like potboilers in the summer and i like at least.... - x Jun 22, 17:48
From B2: "Other than Will Smith." Exactly, he's the biggest draw of the first one. -- nm - MDH Jun 22, 17:15 5
- Was he at that time? I think that ID4 was one of the films that made him a huge draw -- nm - JD Jun 22, 18:10 4
  - He was a draw on the way up. The shots of the ships blowing shit up sold the movie, - Name Withheld By Request Jun 22, 20:23
  - iirc, he was top-billed and featured in the marketing, which included a super bowl ad that's often included in lists - b. Jun 22, 18:43
  - It was between Bad Boys and MIB. -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 18:37
  - Kind of, almost. Bad Boys had come out earlier. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 22, 18:36
NOOOOOOOOO not Thor. :( -- nm - Tim Jun 22, 17:08 2
- The injuries are piling up but hopefully you guys get healthy after the break and have a strong second half. -- nm - Krusty Jun 22, 17:26
- Why can we never have good things -- nm - ML Jun 22, 17:24
The face on this year's model of the Chenbot actually looks plastic -- (edited) - prayformojo Jun 22, 17:02
Swede gets a red card for farting -- (link) - gerald Jun 22, 16:41
Jagr just won an award for being old, essentially - Reagen Jun 22, 16:38
This Hipster Marriage Announcement From The New York Times Is The Most Insufferable Yet -- (link) - Remlik Jun 22, 16:18 20
- The part I laughed most at was about how their date was reading Wodehouse in the park, and were particularly moved by the description of a kiss. - Roger More Jun 22, 19:37 1
  - yah, I mentioned below that the wodehouse made me think it is a put-on. -- nm - i.b.! Jun 22, 20:10
- eh, no more insufferable than its deconstruction. -- nm - mafic Jun 22, 18:25 3
  - for me, it was close at times; but there was a clear winner for losing. -- nm - b. Jun 22, 18:33
  - It's possible to hate the player *and* the player hater. - ralph wiggum Jun 22, 18:30 1
    - I don't particularly mind the announcement, sure it's over the top pretentious, but at its core it's more a genuine expression of love. - mafic Jun 22, 18:39
- You should ask pixie about the one for his fish. -- nm - Spawn Jun 22, 18:23 1
  - hers was 99% less Russian Novel -- (link) - gerald Jun 22, 18:32
- End their suffering, and take your time. -- nm - ML Jun 22, 17:25
- So can anyone pay overty to get a NYT announcement or do you have to be invited to pay by them? -- nm - iSpam Jun 22, 17:02 2
  - they're not paid - anyone can submit, but they choose what gets published. nm but: -- (link) - b. Jun 22, 17:04 1
    - Uh huh. -- nm - iSpam Jun 22, 20:13
- I want to get drunk on Tullamore Dew and barf in their faces -- nm - CQ Jun 22, 16:33 4
  - *laugh* what, you don't want to be a pilgrim with them? -- (edited) - b. Jun 22, 16:35 3
    - the version on their theknot page is less "too too too" nm but: -- (link) - b. Jun 22, 16:42 2
      - that Replacements LTD registry is . . . ambitious -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 16:46 1
        
        I was just looking at it - nutso. maybe they inherited an incomplete set or something, but still. -- nm - b. Jun 22, 16:50
- sometimes, if I'm watching or reading a book and there's disturbing content, I have to pause for a bit. usually, it's violence or tension or - b. Jun 22, 16:31 1
  - right? -- nm - Remlik Jun 22, 16:35
- Truly a work of art. -- nm - ReluctantCynic Jun 22, 16:23
It seems like days - *days*! - since someone here has analyzed the various merits of the different Jonases -- nm - prayformojo Jun 22, 16:13 3
- honestly, it's just too difficult to keep up with the changing dynamics. -- nm* - Reagen Jun 22, 16:14 2
  - It's too much of a rat race. Keeping up with the Jonases, I mean. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 22, 19:00
  - No it's not. It's all Kevin's fault. -- nm - Dano Jun 22, 18:39
Oh good, Rookie Fraud won the Calder. -- nm - Reagen Jun 22, 16:11 1
- eh, this doesn't bother me much. were I voting it probably would've been for Gostisbehere. - mafic Jun 22, 18:48
Is GM next on the diesel emissions defeat device game? -- (link) - iSpam Jun 22, 16:10
Holy smokes, a woman the next block over from her was killed getting pinned under her car today, in a way that sounds very much like Anton Y. -- nm - prayformojo Jun 22, 16:04 3
- a couple years ago, one of the owners of the Swiss got out of her SUV to open a gate, the car rolled forward, she tried to get in but was crushed in a - zeitgeist Jun 22, 18:54
- What kind of car? Same kind of car? -- nm - Beryllium Jun 22, 16:18
- :( - -- nm - b. Jun 22, 16:04
Suck on a cannoli, you bunch of calzones -- nm - CQ Jun 22, 16:02 10
- isn't your wife rooting for Italy? -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 16:03 9
  - She is because she's a wonderful and smart woman. -- nm - Krusty Jun 22, 16:22 1
    - What's this? Is Italia doing something good? -- nm - Mel Profit Jun 22, 18:59
  - sorry ass woman -- nm - CQ Jun 22, 16:18 6
    - Fucking Paddy. -- nm - Krusty Jun 22, 16:24 4
      - You got out hearted today. All guts and balls -- nm - CQ Jun 22, 16:35 3
        
        Meh. It was the B squad and the backup goalie. But good on them. -- nm - Krusty Jun 22, 16:57 2
        
        The Irish squad is full of 2nd and 3rd tier club players. The Italian squad was all top tier. Should be ashamed -- nm - CQ Jun 22, 17:33 1
        
        I think they'd be ashamed by your choice of beer while watching them play. -- nm - Krusty Jun 22, 17:46
    - #TeamJess! -- nm - gerald Jun 22, 16:22

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