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In response to "US reportedly investigating another (non-fatal) Tesla autopilot crash -- (link)" by gerald

just fyi, this is the same one that was posted earlier. so 2 investigations so far. -- nm

Posted by b. (aka starrynit) Jul 6 '16, 19:09

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Yeah, though this is updated to reflect Tesla's new statement that they don't have data from the vehicle yet. - TWuG Jul 6, 19:14 20
- Two words - decline Jul 6, 20:09
- they should probably look into providing more instruction on autopilot. it's not 'driving, but simpler', but really a differe - mafic Jul 6, 19:39 12
  - The Tesla owner's manual runs down its limitations and the cars ship with it set to off. There are dialogue screens that drivers - TWuG Jul 6, 19:49 11
    - my point is more: who looks at owner's manuals? yeah, they're technically covered, but they could do better. -- nm - mafic Jul 6, 20:08 4
      - Well, then there's no helping that. That's why the features are extra and ship disabled. -- nm - TWuG Jul 6, 20:16 3
        
        it's easily helped. the article I linked suggests several fixes. -- nm - mafic Jul 6, 20:19 2
        
        It's not "easy". Many vehicles are delivered directly to buyers by third party delivery - TWuG Jul 6, 21:14 1
        
        I work for a software company, we have a EULA. *nobody* reads it. - mafic Jul 7, 00:17
    - this doesn't quite address what mafic said and, in part, is what I was getting at below - not everyone is going to think they need to pre-plan/learn - b. Jul 6, 19:55 3
      - Given the 130 million miles driven with Auto Pilot enabled and just 1 fatality, there isn't an issue beyond - TWuG Jul 6, 20:01 2
        
        the point is to do everything possible to make sure that 1 death stands alone, because it's bad enough on its own. -- nm - b. Jul 6, 20:06 1
        
        I know they aren't perfect. But they are better than human drivers. And that single fatality is looking - TWuG Jul 6, 20:15
    - The Model S manual. Auto Pilot discussion begins on Page 55 -- (link) - TWuG Jul 6, 19:54 1
      - page 60 has the on/off-type settings, that look a lot like regular cruise control except with more warnings including serious ones, than regular. - b. Jul 6, 20:03
- could well be. (aside: I really don't think they should have called it auto-pilot.) -- nm - b. Jul 6, 19:23 2
  - *shrug* It'll be more accurate in a few years when it is level 3 or 4. - TWuG Jul 6, 19:28 1
    - I think they should have waited for those levels to use it. not just the humans factor, but the optics of it. -- nm - b. Jul 6, 19:34
- This is the media giving Tesla death by 1,000 cuts. They don't report every driver error car accident, but they will auto-pilot. -- nm - David Jul 6, 19:15 2
  - That goes with the move toward full autonomy. Humans are fine with human error, but computers have to be perfect. - TWuG Jul 6, 19:29
  - "It's new! It failed in some way! We should fear it!" -- nm - Beryllium Jul 6, 19:28
ah, i thought they were talking about the first one -- nm - gerald Jul 6, 19:12

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