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for David: I don't think you're nuts at all. I wonder, for instance, if the huge rise in allergies/asthma is somehow tied to vaccines.

Posted by loosilu (aka loosilu) Apr 22 '09, 11:46

It's totally legitmate to ask these questions and we *should* ask these questions.

In the case of MMR/autism, it worries me that a small group of people are using scare tactics to dissuade a lot of other well-meaning people not to vaccinate their children at all. this can't be good and it scares me.

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in this case it's darn close to nuts IMO - Danedukenuuk Apr 22, 11:57 5
- I think you're grossly oversimplifying the issue here. - znufrii Apr 22, 12:00 4
  - so in certain cases it just the MMR vaccine and in others it's much more???? - Danedukenuuk Apr 22, 12:08 3
    - My whole argument is that anti-vaccine crusaders are doing their cause a disservice by over simplyfying the issue and ignoring the bigger picture. - znufrii Apr 22, 12:11
    - Inflamatory and ignorant of the arguments at hand. Bravo. -- nm - Will Hunting Apr 22, 12:09 1
      - Inflamatory and ignorant?? how??? - Danedukenuuk Apr 22, 12:19
walk away. just walk away. david asked you to. it's a controversial subject. you don't always have to be right. -- (link) - background checks love mandy lane Apr 22, 11:48 [Backboard] 31
- Seriously. You can't just go and insult someone, whether you meant to or not, and then just go back to debating your points as if nothing happened. - Stephen Apr 22, 11:51 27
  - Then again, she did apologize, which is commendable. Apology accepted, Lucie. - David Apr 22, 11:53 17
    - read up on the topic, the link is based on bribery and misinformation - Danedukenuuk Apr 22, 12:04 10
      - It's cute that you think I'm taking you seriously. -- nm - David Apr 22, 12:06 2
        
        no i get you don't i did think fact might make take it seriousely but thats was an illution -- nm - Danedukenuuk Apr 22, 12:12
        
        Yeah, while we're choosing our positions, "This man does not speak for me." -- nm - Reagen Apr 22, 12:08
      - Autism is not a "mental" or "psychological' disease. It is misinformation like this theat leads to health insurance denying coverage for treatment. -- nm - jnine Apr 22, 12:06 5
        
        Autism is a brain development disorder characterized by impaired social interaction and communication - Danedukenuuk Apr 22, 12:11 4
        
        There is a wide spectrum of autism related disorders, virtually all have physical manifestations not just the lack of social interaction most - jnine Apr 22, 12:19 3
        
        are you saying that a mental decise that has physical manifestation is not a mental decise? -- nm - Danedukenuuk Apr 22, 12:25 2
        
        Just because something causes neurological deficits doesn't meant it's a mental illness. -- nm - jnine Apr 22, 12:34 1
        
        no thats not what i said, if it were Drinking would be a mental disorder -- nm - Danedukenuuk Apr 22, 13:36
      - dude. - znufrii Apr 22, 12:06
    - I didn't realize you have a family member. and I should always conduct these debates as if peopel are present who are affected, so that's no - loosilu Apr 22, 11:56
    - err, in chalk on the pavement -- nm - David Apr 22, 11:55 4
      - that would have been slightly more disturbing. -- nm - Reagen Apr 22, 11:59 3
        
        and everything would have been red -- nm - David Apr 22, 12:00 2
        
        so, not an underground level then. -- nm - mafic Apr 22, 12:00 1
        
        L3! -- nm - znufrii Apr 22, 12:02
  - But see, that is what she does. I get blasted for pointing such things out, but it is true. -- nm - Spawn: TT Fantasy Hoops Champion Apr 22, 11:53 3
    - She's trying. That should matter some. - David Apr 22, 12:08 2
      - Yeah, she is doing a lot of apologizing this week. - Spawn: TT Fantasy Hoops Champion Apr 22, 12:12 1
        
        You'll never forgive her anyway. -- nm - Reagen Apr 22, 12:19
  - it's insulting to me when you imply that I can't understand the issue unless I have kids. -- nm - Reagen Apr 22, 11:52 2
    - Except that's not what I said at all. - Stephen Apr 22, 11:56 1
      - I don't know how else to interpret "we'll see when you have kids". -- nm - Reagen Apr 22, 12:05
  - I put an apology back there. please stay out. -- nm - loosilu Apr 22, 11:52
  - Society would fall apart if the statement you just made was true. -- nm - Beryllium Apr 22, 11:52
- please don't attempt to fix my problems. thanks. -- nm - loosilu Apr 22, 11:50 2
  - he asked you to not talk to him. how is that so hard? I'm not trying to fix anything. I'm trying to remind you - background checks love mandy lane Apr 22, 11:55 1
    - I'm doing fine. thanks. -- nm - loosilu Apr 22, 11:57
for David: I DO think you're nuts...but it has nothing to do with the vaccine conversation. - Jim Apr 22, 11:47
as I have said before, - tRuMaN Apr 22, 11:47

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