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some fascinating tidbits in ron brownstein's rust belt piece today...

Posted by x (aka dmuck) Nov 10 '16, 06:10

"In particular, Trump beat Clinton among white voters without a college education by an astonishing 39 percentage points—a margin larger than Ronald Reagan’s against Walter Mondale in his 1984 landslide. Trump not only beat her by nearly 50 points among blue-collar white men, but by almost 30 points among non-college-educated white women. (Trump is president largely because white working-class women gave him double-digit margins in key states—a development that may occupy gender studies scholars for years.)"

that is a beatdown (www.theatlantic.com)

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Another interesting fact I read, Romney in the 2012 election, garnered a million more votes than Hillary, and circa 1.5 million more votes than Trump. -- nm - Loyola Nov 10, 06:32 10
- Gary Johnson--on his own--accounts for close to 3 million of that disparity. - ML Nov 10, 06:38 8
  - Was he an actor in under siege? -- nm - Loyola Nov 10, 06:57 1
    - Oh no that's Busey. -- nm - Loyola Nov 10, 06:59
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    - Add in the very urban elite who were voted against now calling for the removal of the EC which is the very thing that beat them - oblique Nov 10, 06:50 4
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        Probably much to your chagrin, I have to think that for these same people, this isn't something they can devote ongoing concern to - oblique Nov 10, 07:06 1
        
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        I find it fascinating that my dad, who was an arch-conservative when I was growing up and precisely one of those "worked for everything he had" types - Reagen Nov 10, 07:03
- millions of votes still to count yet. -- nm - Reagen Nov 10, 06:35
it is quite fascinating to me how quickly this discussion is going to turn from race and sex to economic disparity... -- nm - oblique Nov 10, 06:30 30
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- It's going to take time to distill the drivers (plural I am sure) behind this, but I firmly think that blowback to BLM plays in -- nm - ty97 Nov 10, 06:32 28
  - Yes, and one side will frame that as racist while the other, when they say "I wish I had time to go out and protest and not have to work" - oblique Nov 10, 06:47 27
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      - I do. But I also cannot discount their resentment of their situation leading them to have this perception. This group is my cousin (though we never - oblique Nov 10, 06:53 25
        
        But what do guys in your cousin's position want? A handout in the forum of a subsidy? A flat tax that increases the wealth gap? - Max Nov 10, 07:20 2
        
        I'd guess they believe strongly that goverment is taking more from them and they are getting less for it - oblique Nov 10, 07:38 1
        
        They thing is - I don't know that urbanites are for the status quo... - Mel Profit Nov 10, 07:46
        
        and here's the thing I always want to ask...what do you want? Tell me exactly. - Mel Profit Nov 10, 07:04 18
        
        The jobs to come back to rural America. - iSpam Nov 10, 07:19 9
        
        They don't need to all be programming jobs. Some are tech, some are support, the rest are services and retail. - mara Nov 10, 07:44 2
        
        we are supposedly short hundreds of thousands of plumbers, welders and HVAC techs. -- nm - Reagen Nov 10, 08:07 1
        
        Yup. A lot community college and apprencticeship type jobs. -- nm - mara Nov 10, 08:11
        
        that is all well and good except for two points of reality 1) several jobs programs were proposed the last eight years but killed by McConnell - crash davis Nov 10, 07:40
        
        All real, good and valid feelings... - Mel Profit Nov 10, 07:26 1
        
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        But Trump didn't have the support of mainstream republicans that are for free trade. - iSpam Nov 10, 07:24 1
        
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        We had a fire referrendum on the ballot in our township. I was watching on Facebook the replies whenever the firefighers would post about it. The -- (edited) - oblique Nov 10, 07:16
        
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        Right.To them I say: Now...who supports most of that clearly and who doesn't. -- nm - Mel Profit Nov 10, 07:14 3
        
        I'm sure they also feel their lot has worsened the past 8 years... -- nm - oblique Nov 10, 07:18 1
        
        there is no doubt about that....nm - x Nov 10, 07:21
        
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        I may killfile *you*. -- nm - Reagen Nov 10, 07:11 1
        
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        I continue to be very sad about my lot in life these days - oblique Nov 10, 06:58 1
        
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thanks for the link -- (link*) - ML Nov 10, 06:22

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