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I've seen this argument around, but you can't hand-wave away the election campaign. -- nm

Posted by Roger More (aka rogermore) Nov 13 '16, 09:39

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This. A not insignificant portion of his votes came from people who'd really like to get rid of all the non-white people. -- nm - Tim Nov 13, 09:47 46
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  - Because that is what he said he would do and people voted for him. -- nm - andie Nov 13, 10:23 14
    - What Trump said... - Bacon Nov 13, 10:28 13
      - I don't think anyone is arguing that his appeals to racism was the most important reason people voted for Trump overall. -- (edited) - znufrii Nov 13, 10:42
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        This is a good point. - Bacon Nov 13, 10:34 10
        
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        I would agree that if you are racist you voted for him. I just think the weight that is given isn't the accurate numbers. - Bacon Nov 13, 10:45 2
        
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        I am just saying there were some grand sweeping things said and DP3 just thought it was a little too broad based. - Bacon Nov 13, 10:53
        
        For some. For others it was the racist stuff. That's the point. -- nm - Reagen Nov 13, 10:38 5
        
        The bigger point is that even if they didn't vote for him because of the racist sruff. - Inigo Nov 13, 10:41 4
        
        If you have two bad candidates you have to turn off some noise to make a choice. - Bacon Nov 13, 10:52
        
        And even if supporters were straight-up law & order voters concerned about illegals taking their jobs, he's now planning to leave those illegals in? - Max Nov 13, 10:45 1
        
        As someone that didn't want Trump to win at all. And went through a bit of depression when he did. I am glad to see some of this shit being walked - Bacon Nov 13, 10:55
        
        My boss, whom I otherwise like, brushed it off. He can't wait for Trump's economic policy. - Tim Nov 13, 10:45
  - So his base of core supporters that he built (when there were still other republicans in the race) wasnt built on the back of his pro-white message? - Jovian Nov 13, 09:58
  - because a not insignificant portion of voters said that was why they were supporting him? -- (edited) - znufrii Nov 13, 09:56 28
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      - No bubble! No bubble! You're the bubble! -- nm - Max Nov 13, 10:29
      - I don't know what percentage it was, but it was non-zero. -- nm - Reagen Nov 13, 10:14 3
        
        (take a look at the replies to any journalist or Jewish person on twitter, for instance) -- nm - Reagen Nov 13, 10:22 1
        
        Which makes it amusing that people thought the Jewish Socialist would have won in a walk. -- nm - Tim Nov 13, 10:31
        
        "not insignificant" -- nm - philip k mud Nov 13, 10:17
      - Okay, three things -- (edited) - znufrii Nov 13, 10:09 18
        
        This place is a bubble btw. It's obvious -- nm - Bacon Nov 13, 10:11 17
        
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        Not really the point I was trying to make, but okay. -- nm - znufrii Nov 13, 10:16 15
        
        DP3 is more right than this place will accept. But hey, I am about to get shouted down now. That is my point -- nm - Bacon Nov 13, 10:24 14
        
        more people disagreeing with than agreeing with you != "shouted down" - Reagen Nov 13, 10:30
        
        ST is a bubble, sure. And I think we do need to listen to the 'whys' for the other side. But, if people plugged - andie Nov 13, 10:28 10
        
        I read a fantastic article that I have posted in a few other places. Yes, I agree with you. - Bacon Nov 13, 10:30 9
        
        Hillary ' issues didn't include racist campaign promises. -- nm - andie Nov 13, 10:33
        
        So because he convinced some people with a non-offensive message, the ones that were convinced by that offensive message disappear? -- nm - Reagen Nov 13, 10:32 6
        
        My general understanding of how I read this thread was sweeping generalities. DP3 was objecting to the tone of - Bacon Nov 13, 10:40 5
        
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        I won't disagree with small percentages, the racist vote probably swung it. But that number in itself is small - Bacon Nov 13, 10:58
        
        Well sure, because we aren't horrible people. Me too -- nm - Bacon Nov 13, 10:56
        
        (also, Hillary didn't cater to communist views) -- (edited) - Reagen Nov 13, 10:43
        
        *no one* said most. "not-insignficant". -- nm - Reagen Nov 13, 10:41
        
        He said things like " he would absolutely require Muslims to jon a registry. " -- nm - andie Nov 13, 10:31
        
        Playing the victim does no one any good, but whatever makes you feel better. -- nm - znufrii Nov 13, 10:26
        
        spoilers - Beaker Nov 13, 10:25
      - If you're going to ignore what he said during the election campaign and the voters he reached out to, then enjoy your bubble too. -- nm - Roger More Nov 13, 10:02 2
        
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        Yeah, I thought DP3 was doing a bit. I guess not. -- nm - Doctor Spawn Nov 13, 10:04

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