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I hate it when the people in charge want to operate in denial. Canada is just emerging from a decade of this shit. -- (link)

Posted by Beryllium (aka grayman) Nov 23 '16, 07:44

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Between our politically-squashed science and our gap in census data, it's been a bad bad thing. (twitter.com)

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You know science spending didn't actually go down during that decade? But there was a shift towards university research vs. gov't labs. -- nm* - Name Withheld by Request Nov 23, 08:03 14
- It was my understanding that funding had also been reduced, but as already stated in the thread, there is more than one way to squash science, -- nm - Beryllium Nov 23, 08:12 3
  - Or, if not reduced, then perhaps reallocated to other areas - which might not be so bad, if it was (for example) cancer research - Beryllium Nov 23, 08:13 2
    - (though it's when oil prices are low that R&D into oil extraction technology is essential) - Roger More Nov 23, 08:18 1
      - Your IM is exactly that. Practical application was a phrase that came up routinely prior to the shift in direction. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Nov 23, 08:22
- It's more than just total $$$ though - there were decisions about where funding was directed, whether government scientists could speak publicly, etc -- nm - Roger More Nov 23, 08:08 9
  - it was the 'speak publically' part that i found the most disturbing. -- nm - Andie Nov 23, 08:08 8
    - Data tabled quietly this year showed 1,500 government scientist interviews in the year leading up to last year's election. -- (link) - Name Withheld by Request Nov 23, 08:21 7
      - if it wasn't/isn't so egregious, why did so many scientists complain about feeling muzzled? -- (edited) - Andie Nov 23, 08:29 6
        
        Because the rules changed towards increased message discipline and people with the title Doctor don't like being told what they can or cannot do? - Name Withheld by Request Nov 23, 08:41 5
        
        That's reading the worst into the motivation, IMO. Science is developed through open discussion of ideas and evidence, so it should be no surprise - Roger More Nov 23, 08:44 4
        
        *shrug* They may not like the title, but they are bureaucrats when they are one of the 39,000 gov't scientists. Bureaucrats don't speak on policy. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Nov 23, 08:49 3
        
        Scientific research might (or might not) support policy decisions, but it's not policy. -- nm - Roger More Nov 23, 08:57 2
        
        No, but commenting on the why particular research is or isn't useful can be policy decisions. - Name Withheld by Request Nov 23, 09:01 1
        
        A) That's not helpful in knowing what interviews etc did not happen, and why. B) Same rules + different people = different practices. -- nm - Roger More Nov 23, 09:09
Make Canada Great Again -- nm - Doctor Spawn Nov 23, 07:46 2
- It's just the whole "I don't like this"/"I don't like hearing about this from the public" mentality. Just because you stop observing something ... - Beryllium Nov 23, 07:54 1
  - Are you sure, because I'd like to stop observing Venus at night and make it join some other solar system -- nm - crash davis Nov 23, 08:21

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