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In response to "Polls have closed in Italy. Exit poll are out. No idea what they say, haven't look, but Euro continues to slide. -- nm" by ty97

rai is reporting no at 54-58%, renzi is toast..nm

Posted by x (aka dmuck) Dec 4 '16, 14:29

the eu might be toast

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What baffles me here, if those turn out to be results: What's so bad about a no vote? And Renzi does not *have* to resign. - ty97 Dec 4, 14:30 12
- Doesn't have to, but said he would. If he loses and stays, he loses any credibility he has left. - mafic Dec 4, 14:38 2
  - Right, it was dumb of him to say he'd leave, but it would be even dumber to do it. -- nm - ty97 Dec 4, 14:39 1
    - I'd rather he stay and be a power-hobbled figurehead than go through Italian Bank Crisis v72 -- nm* - ty97 Dec 4, 14:40
- as i understand it, it's mainly because groups like the five star movement and lega nord who are hugely anti-eu back the no vote..... - x Dec 4, 14:35 7
  - Yeah, and people are worried "what happens if we vote yes and someone like Beppe Grillo gets in?". Especially after the Brexit and Trump votes -- nm - Roger More Dec 4, 15:00 1
    - they're sure right to be worried...nm - x Dec 4, 15:05
  - Knowing next to nothing about this, I read it as "give me more power, reduce checks/balances". I would vote no on that! - ty97 Dec 4, 14:37 4
    - Italy has a weird system. Both senate and the other house (chamber of deputies?) have exactly the same powers. - mafic Dec 4, 14:44
    - but increased checks and balances may be the wrong thing, if they lead to stalemates and inaction -- (edited) - Reagen Dec 4, 14:43
    - i'm sure no expert on italian politics. (i mean they change governments all the time!). but the few things i have read recently made it seem like..... - x Dec 4, 14:42 1
      - Note to European leaders: Quit staking your reputation/career on a referendum. -- nm - ty97 Dec 4, 14:42
- And here's Nigel mf'ing Farage to disagree with me. -- (link) - ty97 Dec 4, 14:31

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