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In response to "How do you convince someone of how they are being screwed, if the person doing the screwing represents their cultural ideal? -- (edited)" by znufrii

Avoiding terms like "cultural ideal" and "post-rationalist" for a start

Posted by Roger More (aka Rogermore) Dec 9 '16, 10:26

You have to engage with people using terms and concepts they are familiar with.

And I recognize it's frustrating that we (liberals) are the ones continually doing the reaching out, but it's part of liberalism.

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- I like this. A lot. -- nm - znufrii Dec 9, 11:55
- Ask them what his unbreakable promises are to them. -- nm - Reagen Dec 9, 10:43 1
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Obviously. But I've got to get a handle on the problem in my own terms before trying to engage people on theirs. -- nm - znufrii Dec 9, 10:37 9
- Thinking about things in their terms will help, IMO. -- nm - Roger More Dec 9, 11:09 8
  - That's step two. -- nm - znufrii Dec 9, 11:18
  - This is why I like asking what they want from him - it's puts ownership of the issue on them. -- nm - Reagen Dec 9, 11:11 6
    - Yep - what is needed for America to be great again? Why do you think Donald Trump is the guy to deliver that thing? -- nm - Roger More Dec 9, 11:13 5
      - Those are great questions, if you expect someone's motivation to be grounded in reasons or logic - znufrii Dec 9, 11:23 4
        
        They get to the emotional reasons - that America is different now and was better back then, that no one cares about what people like them think, etc -- nm - Roger More Dec 9, 11:32 3
        
        And how do you get from there to answering my initial question? -- nm - znufrii Dec 9, 11:53 2
        
        Plus, it also means you can tailor your responses to their emotions. Like if they want to talk about fairness, talk about fairness. - Roger More Dec 9, 12:05
        
        In the end, you have to let people convince themselves, and they're only going to do that if they ask and answer questions themselves. - Roger More Dec 9, 12:02

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