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In response to "Strongbad from B2: Betsy DeVos is a school voucher advocate. -- (edited)" by Inigo

If we're discussing school vouchers,

Posted by Strongbad (aka Rambler14) Jan 18 '17, 05:48

To me,

spending your own money trying to advocate for more opportunities to kids to escape chronically underperforming public schools is not a bad thing.

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You should look at this article from the Economist - which is generally pro school choice and school voucher - about DeVos, and why - Roger More Jan 18, 07:53 5
- And my interpretation of the B2 tweet - without reading this thread in detail. - Roger More Jan 18, 07:57
- And also this editorial -- (link) - Roger More Jan 18, 07:54 3
  - Thanks for the links, but they're both behind pay walls for me. -- nm - Strongbad Jan 18, 07:59 2
    - Article: - Roger More Jan 18, 08:08 1
      - and editorial - Roger More Jan 18, 08:09
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She's trying to create a chasm between the educated and the public school attendees. -- nm - David's iPad Jan 18, 06:52 1
- Exactly. Rich kids getting elite education over here, workers and eventual criminals over here. -- nm - volnelk Jan 18, 06:53
It's fine but now that she's a nominee to be in charge of public schooling it shows us how little she has done to advance public schooling while - Krusty Jan 18, 05:55 2
- Forget "Advance" public education, she hasn't come within 100 yards of any aspect of her life "participating" in public education. It's absurd. -- nm - volnelk Jan 18, 06:05 1
  - I completely agree. She's less qualified than Harriet Miers. -- nm - Krusty Jan 18, 06:08
again, as a private citizen, fine. It becomes a thing worth talking about when you want to run the department - Reagen Jan 18, 05:53
But what if your job is being in charge of the chronically underperforming public schools? -- nm - volnelk Jan 18, 05:52
Which is great if you can afford it, except that it really hurts the public system - Guigue Jan 18, 05:52 1
- This. -- nm - Krusty Jan 18, 06:24
That's not what voucher programs do, though. - Inigo Jan 18, 05:52 18
- This. It also tends to take the high performing students out of the public schools which in turn damages them even more. -- nm - Krusty Jan 18, 05:55 13
  - Does it help or damage the high-performing student? -- nm - Strongbad Jan 18, 05:57 12
    - BTW, here's John Oliver's argument against charter schools. -- (link) - Inigo Jan 18, 06:21 [youtube]
    - It may help, but it's absurd to say that is for the greater good when you take those kids out and leave every special needs kid behind. - volnelk Jan 18, 06:09 9
      - We've sued a few of the schools for multiple violations including not accepting kids that have learning disabilities and kicking out kids that need - Krusty Jan 18, 06:12 8
        
        If I got to pick my students, I could look like a combo of Mr. Chips and Dead Poets Society. -- nm - Reagen Jan 18, 06:34 7
        
        I shall create my own army and be unstoppable! -- nm - Beaker Jan 18, 06:38 5
        
        well the whole idea of public school education was really advanced by the Prussians to teach their kids math so they'd become... - Mel Profit Jan 18, 06:52 3
        
        (reading a good book on Waterloo right now. Napolean's getting ready to square off with the British and the Prussians) -- nm - Beaker Jan 18, 07:31 2
        
        If you get a chance, read, "The Arms of Krupp" - Mel Profit Jan 18, 08:04
        
        good stuff. -- nm - Mel Profit Jan 18, 07:44
        
        shhh -- nm - Reagen Jan 18, 06:43
        
        I didn't read the first one but definitely know the second. You'd have the best classes and rarely feel the need to call out sick. - Krusty Jan 18, 06:38
    - He/she is already a high performing student. I'm not so worried about that student. If the school is improved then that student benefits but having - Krusty Jan 18, 06:04
- Disagree with your 3rd statement - Strongbad Jan 18, 05:55 3
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  - I'd refer you back to my second paragraph, then. - Inigo Jan 18, 06:00
  - The mission of the Department of Education is to ensure equal access to education and to promote educational excellence throughout the nation. - Krusty Jan 18, 05:59

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