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In response to "I took a much scarier read on it (see one thread down)" by ty97

oh, it can sow even more distrust of media among supporters, to be sure. i just don't think you can win with this sort of media strategy..

Posted by x (aka dmuck) Jan 21 '17, 15:34

in a country where all evidence indicates that you aren't really very popular overall. to be playing this sort of game 24 hours in means they don't have a lot of cards to play, as i see it.

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The same kind of "evidence" that showed he had a 99% chance of losing the election? - Cuzzin Todd Jan 21, 15:42 27
- ST wasn't there. We thought Hil would win, but a lot of people gave way lower odds than those. (link) -- (link) - Andie Jan 21, 16:43 [Backboard]
- It would be difficult to find any over 85%, although I think there were one or two outliers up there. -- nm - mara Jan 21, 15:55 9
  - My recollection is that almost everybody other than 538 was in the mid-upper 90s on election day -- nm - ty97 Jan 21, 16:06 8
    - bookies were paying out tickets for Hilary prior to the election, doesn't get more sure thing than that -- nm - Beaker Jan 21, 16:13 3
      - show me a bookie who pays out before the race is over, and i'll show you a bookie.... - x Jan 21, 16:16 2
        
        I wonder if it saved them some bucks in the long run - Reagen Jan 21, 16:18 1
        
        right. you pay out early to hedge your bets....nm - x Jan 21, 16:21
    - It's weird (but I mean, I know why people are trying this) that Silver is getting hammered for polling failures - Reagen Jan 21, 16:08 3
      - the real problem is that most people don't understand how probability works....nm - x Jan 21, 16:10 1
        
        There's a 50/50/50 chance you're right about that. -- nm* - Cuzzin Todd Jan 21, 16:20
      - Conservatives have hated him for years and don't care about facts. They just want a pound of flesh from Mr. Smarty Pants. -- nm - David, ST's Ultimate Lover Jan 21, 16:10
- what are you taking about? i don't remember anyone saying he had a 99% chance of losing the election. what is your source for that? - x Jan 21, 15:52 10
  - Actually, it was 538 that kept me from hopping competely onboard the "Hilary's got this" train. - Cuzzin Todd Jan 21, 15:59 1
    - I posted a Ken Jennings tweet that Trump had the same chance as a missed extra point. - David, ST's Ultimate Lover Jan 21, 16:05
  - some of the poll aggregator/model people did. HuffPo I think. NY Times had her at 94 or 95%. -- (edited) - ty97 Jan 21, 15:58 7
    - Even Princeton Election Consortium had her at 98-99%. Here they are defending it on November 6. -- (link) - ty97 Jan 21, 16:03 4
      - Nate of 538 and Ryan Grim of HuffPo twitter warring about the topic in early November -- (link) - ty97 Jan 21, 16:04 3
        
        Heh, okay. I guess it was HuffPo. -- nm* - David, ST's Ultimate Lover Jan 21, 16:07 2
        
        this is all fair enough. i sure don't pay any attention to huffpo....nm - x Jan 21, 16:12 1
        
        The important thing is that it was the bad timing hall of fame. - David, ST's Ultimate Lover Jan 21, 16:16
    - I'm trying to find the piece I read on election day (or the day before) scolding 538/Nate Silver for being too gloomy... - Cuzzin Todd Jan 21, 16:01 1
      - That's the one I referenced below. I don't remember who it was, either. -- nm - David, ST's Ultimate Lover Jan 21, 16:06
- That's probability models, not polling, and anyone who went with 99% was bonkers. -- (edited) - ty97 Jan 21, 15:48 4
  - Nate Silver got slammed by an analyst at some site like HuffPo (but not them). His research indicated 99%. - David, ST's Ultimate Lover Jan 21, 16:04 3
    - I think it actually was HuffPo. But models have to allow for unexpected events like Comey to happen - ty97 Jan 21, 16:05 2
      - Could have been, but I tend to dismiss things on HuffPo as quickly as I would dismiss something from Fox. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Jan 21, 16:21
      - That's the problem with models predicated on history. Nothing can anticipate the unprecedented. - David, ST's Ultimate Lover Jan 21, 16:09

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oh, it can sow even more distrust of media among supporters, to be sure. i just don't think you can win with this sort of media strategy..

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