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In response to "I am particularly interested on the threat of sending the feds to Chicago for the killings." by groiny

Can you imagine the republican reaction if Obama had threatened federal action in a city or state under republican control?

Posted by pmb (aka pmb) Jan 26 '17, 14:15

Absolute hysteria.

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and how much better is it with the new police chief compared to McCarthy? - groiny Jan 26, 14:21 1
- It's going to be a process for sure. I think the new guy is making strides. But it's not like flipping a switch. They need to change the police/ - pmb Jan 26, 14:23
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- that was something -- nm - zeitgeist Jan 26, 14:32
Jade Helm 15 -- nm - Roger More Jan 26, 14:16
well, to be fair, for the most part, I feel Obama ignored the issues in Chicago. -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:16 42
- Depends on what you view as the issues and what you view the role of the federal government as. These are typically local issues. They did send feds - pmb Jan 26, 14:20 33
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    - I think that press conference was the last thing I watched news wise. - groiny Jan 26, 14:35
  - IMO, the police abuse has little to do with the people getting shot daily. - groiny Jan 26, 14:22 30
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      - if you believe him, I thought Rahm said that he requested the DOJ to come in and assist. - groiny Jan 26, 14:36 6
        
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        In order to fix the problem you need to know just what the problem is. The CPD wants it to be anything but them, but they are oart of the problem. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:40 3
        
        oh, we are well aware of the CPD shortcomings. -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:41 2
        
        Just to be cleary groiny, I'm not saying this is the only source of the problem. There's also poverty, lack of opportunities, anger and perpetual - pmb Jan 26, 14:48 1
        
        Lack of affordable housing. The CPS stuff. -- nm* - . Jan 26, 14:52
        
        It wasn't a Rahm request. It was something he accepted. - pmb Jan 26, 14:39
    - But the police can't do anything without help from the citizens and they've burned that trust. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:24
    - I disagree a lot. You need the community to trust the police. Otherwise, they don't engage with the police. -- nm - ty97 Jan 26, 14:23 20
      - which has to do with one gang shooting another gang how? - groiny Jan 26, 14:24 19
        
        The trust matters a lot. If the community doesn't think the police will solve the crime, why call? - ty97 Jan 26, 14:32 4
        
        valid point. - groiny Jan 26, 14:33 3
        
        There are stories lately about the Chicago Police lowering policing and lowering solve rates. -- (edited) - ty97 Jan 26, 14:42
        
        Yes, but they don't trust the police to protect them. They've seen too many innocent people shot by cops, not to mention forced confessions and - pmb Jan 26, 14:37 1
        
        And sadly, the CPD has a long and varied history of abuse on their part. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:42
        
        It's hard to deter crime if you don't catch and punish criminals, it's hard to catch and punish criminals without good intel, it's hard to get that - Roger More Jan 26, 14:31 7
        
        and they are not really wrong. -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:32 6
        
        That's right - it's a vicious cycle, and it's hard to break. -- nm - Roger More Jan 26, 14:41 5
        
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        Not to mention further burdening an already overburdened system. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:47
        
        Right. Really it's one of the two primary reasons. It lowers trust and safety in the city and it's an administrative and fiscal burden. There's not - pmb Jan 26, 14:45 1
        
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        "we'll welcome all people to Chicago, there is only a 5% chance you will be shot your first year here." -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:44
        
        In the areas where Cease Fire operates shoitings are down. However the CPD doesn't want work with them and the Rauner crap has cut funding. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:29
        
        Because they aren't able to do as good a job predicting where the problems are an intervening because they don't get useable intel. I have little - pmb Jan 26, 14:26 4
        
        I think most police know where the problems are. - groiny Jan 26, 14:28 3
        
        They know the neighborhoods, but the details, the individuals, etc. are something different. And statistically they are not really spreading. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:29 2
        
        I have not looks at any recent statistics, so I trust you know better than I do. - groiny Jan 26, 14:31 1
        
        I was really speaking to Chicago. I don't know that I've seen statistics that cover the suburbs so I can't say. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:33
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  - not saying it does, but is no action better than a crazy leap? -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:18 5
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      - that I would also agree with, but I would have liked him to at least address it here and there. - groiny Jan 26, 14:23 3
        
        I mean, they sort of did. Not that there weren't shootings before, but they had declined like violent crime everywhere until they suddenly spiked - pmb Jan 26, 14:28 2
        
        Have the gun laws in Indiana and Wisconsin always been weak or did they change recently? -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:31 1
        
        pretty sure Indiana has been so for quite a while. -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:34
- As does Rahm, and Richie before him and Rauner. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:17

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