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In response to "Can you imagine the republican reaction if Obama had threatened federal action in a city or state under republican control?" by pmb

well, to be fair, for the most part, I feel Obama ignored the issues in Chicago. -- nm

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Jan 26 '17, 14:16

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Depends on what you view as the issues and what you view the role of the federal government as. These are typically local issues. They did send feds - pmb Jan 26, 14:20 33
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  - I think that press conference was the last thing I watched news wise. - groiny Jan 26, 14:35
- IMO, the police abuse has little to do with the people getting shot daily. - groiny Jan 26, 14:22 30
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    - if you believe him, I thought Rahm said that he requested the DOJ to come in and assist. - groiny Jan 26, 14:36 6
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      - In order to fix the problem you need to know just what the problem is. The CPD wants it to be anything but them, but they are oart of the problem. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:40 3
        
        oh, we are well aware of the CPD shortcomings. -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:41 2
        
        Just to be cleary groiny, I'm not saying this is the only source of the problem. There's also poverty, lack of opportunities, anger and perpetual - pmb Jan 26, 14:48 1
        
        Lack of affordable housing. The CPS stuff. -- nm* - . Jan 26, 14:52
      - It wasn't a Rahm request. It was something he accepted. - pmb Jan 26, 14:39
  - But the police can't do anything without help from the citizens and they've burned that trust. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:24
  - I disagree a lot. You need the community to trust the police. Otherwise, they don't engage with the police. -- nm - ty97 Jan 26, 14:23 20
    - which has to do with one gang shooting another gang how? - groiny Jan 26, 14:24 19
      - The trust matters a lot. If the community doesn't think the police will solve the crime, why call? - ty97 Jan 26, 14:32 4
        
        valid point. - groiny Jan 26, 14:33 3
        
        There are stories lately about the Chicago Police lowering policing and lowering solve rates. -- (edited) - ty97 Jan 26, 14:42
        
        Yes, but they don't trust the police to protect them. They've seen too many innocent people shot by cops, not to mention forced confessions and - pmb Jan 26, 14:37 1
        
        And sadly, the CPD has a long and varied history of abuse on their part. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:42
      - It's hard to deter crime if you don't catch and punish criminals, it's hard to catch and punish criminals without good intel, it's hard to get that - Roger More Jan 26, 14:31 7
        
        and they are not really wrong. -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:32 6
        
        That's right - it's a vicious cycle, and it's hard to break. -- nm - Roger More Jan 26, 14:41 5
        
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        Not to mention further burdening an already overburdened system. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:47
        
        Right. Really it's one of the two primary reasons. It lowers trust and safety in the city and it's an administrative and fiscal burden. There's not - pmb Jan 26, 14:45 1
        
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        "we'll welcome all people to Chicago, there is only a 5% chance you will be shot your first year here." -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:44
      - In the areas where Cease Fire operates shoitings are down. However the CPD doesn't want work with them and the Rauner crap has cut funding. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:29
      - Because they aren't able to do as good a job predicting where the problems are an intervening because they don't get useable intel. I have little - pmb Jan 26, 14:26 4
        
        I think most police know where the problems are. - groiny Jan 26, 14:28 3
        
        They know the neighborhoods, but the details, the individuals, etc. are something different. And statistically they are not really spreading. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:29 2
        
        I have not looks at any recent statistics, so I trust you know better than I do. - groiny Jan 26, 14:31 1
        
        I was really speaking to Chicago. I don't know that I've seen statistics that cover the suburbs so I can't say. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:33
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- not saying it does, but is no action better than a crazy leap? -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:18 5
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    - that I would also agree with, but I would have liked him to at least address it here and there. - groiny Jan 26, 14:23 3
      - I mean, they sort of did. Not that there weren't shootings before, but they had declined like violent crime everywhere until they suddenly spiked - pmb Jan 26, 14:28 2
        
        Have the gun laws in Indiana and Wisconsin always been weak or did they change recently? -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:31 1
        
        pretty sure Indiana has been so for quite a while. -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:34
As does Rahm, and Richie before him and Rauner. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:17

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