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In response to "Depends on what you view as the issues and what you view the role of the federal government as. These are typically local issues. They did send feds" by pmb

IMO, the police abuse has little to do with the people getting shot daily.

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Jan 26 '17, 14:22

sure there is less trusting of the police to handle it, but they are not the ones pulling the trigger.

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- if you believe him, I thought Rahm said that he requested the DOJ to come in and assist. - groiny Jan 26, 14:36 6
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  - In order to fix the problem you need to know just what the problem is. The CPD wants it to be anything but them, but they are oart of the problem. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:40 3
    - oh, we are well aware of the CPD shortcomings. -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:41 2
      - Just to be cleary groiny, I'm not saying this is the only source of the problem. There's also poverty, lack of opportunities, anger and perpetual - pmb Jan 26, 14:48 1
        
        Lack of affordable housing. The CPS stuff. -- nm* - . Jan 26, 14:52
  - It wasn't a Rahm request. It was something he accepted. - pmb Jan 26, 14:39
But the police can't do anything without help from the citizens and they've burned that trust. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:24
I disagree a lot. You need the community to trust the police. Otherwise, they don't engage with the police. -- nm - ty97 Jan 26, 14:23 20
- which has to do with one gang shooting another gang how? - groiny Jan 26, 14:24 19
  - The trust matters a lot. If the community doesn't think the police will solve the crime, why call? - ty97 Jan 26, 14:32 4
    - valid point. - groiny Jan 26, 14:33 3
      - There are stories lately about the Chicago Police lowering policing and lowering solve rates. -- (edited) - ty97 Jan 26, 14:42
      - Yes, but they don't trust the police to protect them. They've seen too many innocent people shot by cops, not to mention forced confessions and - pmb Jan 26, 14:37 1
        
        And sadly, the CPD has a long and varied history of abuse on their part. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:42
  - It's hard to deter crime if you don't catch and punish criminals, it's hard to catch and punish criminals without good intel, it's hard to get that - Roger More Jan 26, 14:31 7
    - and they are not really wrong. -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:32 6
      - That's right - it's a vicious cycle, and it's hard to break. -- nm - Roger More Jan 26, 14:41 5
        
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        Not to mention further burdening an already overburdened system. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:47
        
        Right. Really it's one of the two primary reasons. It lowers trust and safety in the city and it's an administrative and fiscal burden. There's not - pmb Jan 26, 14:45 1
        
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        "we'll welcome all people to Chicago, there is only a 5% chance you will be shot your first year here." -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:44
  - In the areas where Cease Fire operates shoitings are down. However the CPD doesn't want work with them and the Rauner crap has cut funding. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:29
  - Because they aren't able to do as good a job predicting where the problems are an intervening because they don't get useable intel. I have little - pmb Jan 26, 14:26 4
    - I think most police know where the problems are. - groiny Jan 26, 14:28 3
      - They know the neighborhoods, but the details, the individuals, etc. are something different. And statistically they are not really spreading. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:29 2
        
        I have not looks at any recent statistics, so I trust you know better than I do. - groiny Jan 26, 14:31 1
        
        I was really speaking to Chicago. I don't know that I've seen statistics that cover the suburbs so I can't say. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:33

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