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In response to "I disagree a lot. You need the community to trust the police. Otherwise, they don't engage with the police. -- nm" by ty97

which has to do with one gang shooting another gang how?

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Jan 26 '17, 14:24

the police presence in those neighborhoods is down, it only is partially because of trust.

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The trust matters a lot. If the community doesn't think the police will solve the crime, why call? - ty97 Jan 26, 14:32 4
- valid point. - groiny Jan 26, 14:33 3
  - There are stories lately about the Chicago Police lowering policing and lowering solve rates. -- (edited) - ty97 Jan 26, 14:42
  - Yes, but they don't trust the police to protect them. They've seen too many innocent people shot by cops, not to mention forced confessions and - pmb Jan 26, 14:37 1
    - And sadly, the CPD has a long and varied history of abuse on their part. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:42
It's hard to deter crime if you don't catch and punish criminals, it's hard to catch and punish criminals without good intel, it's hard to get that - Roger More Jan 26, 14:31 7
- and they are not really wrong. -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:32 6
  - That's right - it's a vicious cycle, and it's hard to break. -- nm - Roger More Jan 26, 14:41 5
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      - Not to mention further burdening an already overburdened system. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:47
      - Right. Really it's one of the two primary reasons. It lowers trust and safety in the city and it's an administrative and fiscal burden. There's not - pmb Jan 26, 14:45 1
        
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      - "we'll welcome all people to Chicago, there is only a 5% chance you will be shot your first year here." -- nm - groiny Jan 26, 14:44
In the areas where Cease Fire operates shoitings are down. However the CPD doesn't want work with them and the Rauner crap has cut funding. -- nm - . Jan 26, 14:29
Because they aren't able to do as good a job predicting where the problems are an intervening because they don't get useable intel. I have little - pmb Jan 26, 14:26 4
- I think most police know where the problems are. - groiny Jan 26, 14:28 3
  - They know the neighborhoods, but the details, the individuals, etc. are something different. And statistically they are not really spreading. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:29 2
    - I have not looks at any recent statistics, so I trust you know better than I do. - groiny Jan 26, 14:31 1
      - I was really speaking to Chicago. I don't know that I've seen statistics that cover the suburbs so I can't say. -- nm - pmb Jan 26, 14:33

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