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WaPo: Do voter identification laws suppress minority voting? Yes. We did the research. -- (link)

Posted by pmb (aka pmb) Feb 15 '17, 12:19

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Nothing surprising but more evidence (www.washingtonpost.com)

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Correct the issue by putting resources into better ID procedures. It's 2017, everybody should have at least one piece of photo ID. - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 12:51 21
- .. we don't need photo ID to vote... -- nm - Andie Feb 15, 13:00
- 2 things. First, since having or not having voter ID laws seems to have virtually no impact on voter fraud (since the kind voter ID "protects" - pmb Feb 15, 12:56 10
  - I'd spend the money so that we'd have a simple, confirmed way to answer accusations of fraud. Absence of IDs is what allows the GOP to claim fraud. -- nm - Max Feb 15, 13:10
  - Responses... - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 13:10 4
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    - A few responses. First, all the evidence is abundantly clear that we're not talking about 98% security, we're talking about 99.99999% security. Out - pmb Feb 15, 13:20
    - A laaaarge proportion of Americans don't have bank accounts, to deal with just one assumption here. -- nm - Reagen Feb 15, 13:14 1
      - Oh, I don't assume that they do, but it's also widely correlated that not having one is detrimental to financial and physical health. - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 13:38
  - M-F 9-2 motherf@ckers -- nm - oblique, SuperFeud Champion Feb 15, 13:01 3
    - I can't remember the exact example but there was one state where in one county the only office you could get the ID was open from like 1-4 on the - pmb Feb 15, 13:03 2
      - Right and that's complete bullshit and should be remedied. But that's your problem. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 13:13 1
        
        Elections Canada is one of the great unsung agencies of the government. -- nm - Reagen Feb 15, 13:18
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  - Sure, I'll accept that some out there have malevolent intentions. Will you acknowledge that there are proponents who just want to secure the vote? - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 12:56 7
    - The problem, and the major difference between the US and Canadian systems, is that it's federal elections run by the states -- (edited) - Reagen Feb 15, 13:07 2
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        I appreciate your faith in my edit. -- nm - Reagen Feb 15, 13:15
    - It begs the question then, of why they want to secure it against a threat that for all intents and purposes does not exist on any meaningful level. -- nm* - znufrii Feb 15, 13:04
    - I understand that on some level it appeals to people on a gut level as being an obvious need and solution, but there is just no evidence that supports - pmb Feb 15, 13:00 1
      - this. I have long had the same gut reaction but seeing it in practice drove me to the other side of the argument -- nm - oblique, SuperFeud Champion Feb 15, 13:04
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2 points - Strongbad Feb 15, 12:28 19
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  - They're just questions at this point, based on reading the article and not the full paper. - Strongbad Feb 15, 12:49 2
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      - Would love to see data on Georgia's laws, maybe I'll look when I get home. -- nm - Strongbad Feb 15, 12:59
- Also, IMO - Strongbad Feb 15, 12:34 14
  - I think the info you're looking for was fairly clearly established (pre v. post), but the criticism of those were that they were single state focused - pmb Feb 15, 12:43 2
    - This paragraph addresses it head on. - pmb Feb 15, 12:48
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    - Hypothetical - Strongbad Feb 15, 12:47 9
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      - That's why they looked across a broader spectrum than a single race. Or narrowed it to looking only at democrats. - pmb Feb 15, 12:50 7
        
        My point - Strongbad Feb 15, 12:58 6
        
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        Their implied conclusion is causation. - Strongbad Feb 15, 13:19 4
        
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        I am not trying to disprove causation. - Strongbad Feb 15, 13:28 2
        
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        of the 2 sets of additional data I have brought up in this thread - Strongbad Feb 15, 14:00
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But, voter fraud!!! -- nm - znufrii Feb 15, 12:20

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