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Just to carry over one aspect of the thread from B2, the idea isn't that people can live without ID in 2017. It's that ID makes their lives better.

Posted by Name Withheld by Request (aka BlueKopo) Feb 15 '17, 13:46

Especially for those in poverty. Its reduction and banking access are directly correlated. Same with joblessness.

So it's not just about *can* you live without ID. It's *should* we ensure everybody has easy access to it.

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Poor people don't have banking access not because of a lack of ID but a lack of banks in their area. - Krusty Feb 15, 14:05 8
- that's a problem for many people, for sure; but the reasons are more varied than that. a lot of people can't afford to have bank accounts, at least -- (edited) - b. Feb 15, 14:35 3
  - I do understand the many reasons the poor don't use banks but the biggest is that there are no banks in their neighborhood. - Krusty Feb 15, 14:54 2
    - don't make me bring out stats. ;p - b. Feb 15, 15:09 1
      - We're on the same side here and I agree with your points. They do need banks andthe right banks with the right incentives. - Krusty Feb 15, 15:33
- Or they had them but were gobbled up or closed during the recession. -- nm - . Feb 15, 14:22 2
  - Nope. They never had them. -- nm - Krusty Feb 15, 14:27 1
    - There were a few black banks in Chicago. As far as I know there are now none. -- nm - . Feb 15, 15:10
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Look, I'm not objecting to making photo ID more readily available. I have no problem with that. But even if you do it, the number who can't or don't - pmb Feb 15, 13:51 28
- On the mandatory issue though, what's the benefit of requiring Selective Service registration that isn't a benefit for voter ID? -- nm - Max Feb 15, 14:01 25
  - I don't think I understand the question. -- nm - pmb Feb 15, 14:02 24
    - Selective service is to satisfy your legal obligation to the government to serve if called upon. Voting is your constitutional right and ID - pmb Feb 15, 14:06 6
      - Okay, but then why isn't registration a hardship? If the incidence of voter fraud is so low, why keep that system that trips up people when they show - Max Feb 15, 14:09 4
        
        In Ireland, voter registration is the item that trips up some people. - Loyola Feb 15, 14:39
        
        It's different from state to state. Some you can register the day you vote. - . Feb 15, 14:26
        
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        I'm not sure it isn't a hardship, but it's still apples and oranges. You have to file tax returns, for instance, even if you don't owe taxes, to - pmb Feb 15, 14:14
      - This was supposed to go below Max's post below it. -- nm - pmb Feb 15, 14:07
    - consistency. Why is it okay to require registration for one and not the other? -- (edited) - Max Feb 15, 14:03 16
      - You do have to register to vote. -- nm - psilotum Feb 15, 14:04 15
        
        That's one where I also find it goofy and in need of modernization. You should be able to register same day, same location. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 14:07 14
        
        In some places you can, but this is also under attack by the right for the same reasons. -- nm - pmb Feb 15, 14:18 7
        
        Here's the thing: I know, but cannot prove, some local elections I've been involved with have had oddities to them. - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 14:27 6
        
        I can't speak to your voter issues, but keep in mind that this protects against only 1 very specific type of voter fraud. That is where somebody - pmb Feb 15, 14:42
        
        And still most fraud occurs in ways that has nothing to do with voter fraud. -- nm - . Feb 15, 14:32 1
        
        Chicago has had precincts where the turnout was higher than the amount of people who showed up at the polls.Even more thsn were registered to vote the - . Feb 15, 14:35
        
        Make it equal, free and convenient and I'll agree. - Reagen Feb 15, 14:31
        
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        NY state -- nm - psilotum Feb 15, 14:46
        
        The US seems to see making bureaucracy as painful as possible as a benefit - Reagen Feb 15, 14:12 4
        
        The last time I went to the DMV it was totally painless. Many of these things have gotten much better with technology improvements. But the jokes - pmb Feb 15, 14:27
        
        I dunno. If you've ever gone down to fight a parking ticket, I imagine its similar in Calgary to Winnipeg and its a huge pain in the ass. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 14:22 2
        
        It's pretty straight forward here though your chances of success are low. I'm taking vehicle registration, etc. though. - Reagen Feb 15, 14:24 1
        
        Yeah, we do vehicle registrations through our public insurance system so any insurance office. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 14:29
        
        yep. the pre-registering thing seems like a big deterrent. -- nm - Andie Feb 15, 14:09
- Right - I think photo ID would be a positive for many issues, so, yes, all for it. but i don't think it should be required for voting. -- nm* - Andie Feb 15, 13:53
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Oh, were we having a conversation about how voter ID laws directly and measurably deter minorities from voting, without affecting whites? -- nm - Beryllium Feb 15, 13:47 2
- Or were we talking about Idaho? *shrug* -- nm - Beryllium Feb 15, 13:48 1
  - It works better as Idaho. -- nm - Beryllium Feb 15, 14:11

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Just to carry over one aspect of the thread from B2, the idea isn't that people *can* live without ID in 2017. It's that ID makes their lives better.

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