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In response to "Just to carry over one aspect of the thread from B2, the idea isn't that people *can* live without ID in 2017. It's that ID makes their lives better." by Name Withheld by Request

Look, I'm not objecting to making photo ID more readily available. I have no problem with that. But even if you do it, the number who can't or don't

Posted by pmb (aka pmb) Feb 15 '17, 13:51

will still far exceed the number of voter fraud instances by a huge margin. So let's not pretend that we're solving for voter fraud issues with this. Do it because you think it's a positive social value. It shouldn't be tied to voting at all.

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On the mandatory issue though, what's the benefit of requiring Selective Service registration that isn't a benefit for voter ID? -- nm - Max Feb 15, 14:01 25
- I don't think I understand the question. -- nm - pmb Feb 15, 14:02 24
  - Selective service is to satisfy your legal obligation to the government to serve if called upon. Voting is your constitutional right and ID - pmb Feb 15, 14:06 6
    - Okay, but then why isn't registration a hardship? If the incidence of voter fraud is so low, why keep that system that trips up people when they show - Max Feb 15, 14:09 4
      - In Ireland, voter registration is the item that trips up some people. - Loyola Feb 15, 14:39
      - It's different from state to state. Some you can register the day you vote. - . Feb 15, 14:26
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      - I'm not sure it isn't a hardship, but it's still apples and oranges. You have to file tax returns, for instance, even if you don't owe taxes, to - pmb Feb 15, 14:14
    - This was supposed to go below Max's post below it. -- nm - pmb Feb 15, 14:07
  - consistency. Why is it okay to require registration for one and not the other? -- (edited) - Max Feb 15, 14:03 16
    - You do have to register to vote. -- nm - psilotum Feb 15, 14:04 15
      - That's one where I also find it goofy and in need of modernization. You should be able to register same day, same location. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 14:07 14
        
        In some places you can, but this is also under attack by the right for the same reasons. -- nm - pmb Feb 15, 14:18 7
        
        Here's the thing: I know, but cannot prove, some local elections I've been involved with have had oddities to them. - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 14:27 6
        
        I can't speak to your voter issues, but keep in mind that this protects against only 1 very specific type of voter fraud. That is where somebody - pmb Feb 15, 14:42
        
        And still most fraud occurs in ways that has nothing to do with voter fraud. -- nm - . Feb 15, 14:32 1
        
        Chicago has had precincts where the turnout was higher than the amount of people who showed up at the polls.Even more thsn were registered to vote the - . Feb 15, 14:35
        
        Make it equal, free and convenient and I'll agree. - Reagen Feb 15, 14:31
        
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        NY state -- nm - psilotum Feb 15, 14:46
        
        The US seems to see making bureaucracy as painful as possible as a benefit - Reagen Feb 15, 14:12 4
        
        The last time I went to the DMV it was totally painless. Many of these things have gotten much better with technology improvements. But the jokes - pmb Feb 15, 14:27
        
        I dunno. If you've ever gone down to fight a parking ticket, I imagine its similar in Calgary to Winnipeg and its a huge pain in the ass. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 14:22 2
        
        It's pretty straight forward here though your chances of success are low. I'm taking vehicle registration, etc. though. - Reagen Feb 15, 14:24 1
        
        Yeah, we do vehicle registrations through our public insurance system so any insurance office. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Feb 15, 14:29
        
        yep. the pre-registering thing seems like a big deterrent. -- nm - Andie Feb 15, 14:09
Right - I think photo ID would be a positive for many issues, so, yes, all for it. but i don't think it should be required for voting. -- nm* - Andie Feb 15, 13:53
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