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Re-post: CNN story about what airlines can legally do and what you should do if you're getting bumped -- (link)

Posted by Strongbad (aka Rambler14) Apr 11 '17, 10:18

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"If you become unruly, they can throw you off in an instant. Without recourse. If you refuse to follow a crew member's instructions, they can throw you off and send you to jail." (www.cnn.com)

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i'm still surprised their computer system would overbook and that United can't manage their personnel shifts -- nm - Peglegpete Apr 11, 10:41 1
- it's done on purpose based on a statistical model that includes the number of no-shows to maximize butts in seats -- nm - decline Apr 11, 10:47
all this hubbub would disappear if people just stayed home more -- nm - decline Apr 11, 10:36 2
- The cruelest line I ever heard on CSI was when Marg went out to a club just to relax, got attacked or something... - Max Apr 11, 10:41
- ::looks at ty97:: -- nm - Spawn Apr 11, 10:39
There's a difference between "don't bring a gun on board" or even "buckle up" and "get off the plane, out of the seat you paid for." - Mel Profit Apr 11, 10:28 26
- I mean in retrospect - would United rather have paid the guy 50K to get off or endure all this publicity. - Mel Profit Apr 11, 10:42 22
  - Given the stock price loss today, this is literally a billion dollar impact. -- nm - Will Hunting Apr 11, 11:18
  - Plus, the lost stock value. (I know your 50K is to make a point, but I'm pretty sure they could have found 4 eager volunteers by offering $2000 each.) -- nm - mara Apr 11, 10:46 20
    - Right. I was just keeping it to the immediate and verifiable truth. There is lost millions here in the bad press, stock hit, etc. - Mel Profit Apr 11, 10:49 5
      - ...but you've already signed a Blood Oath against Delta... -- nm - Diva Apr 11, 10:50 4
        
        I think my hatred of United, for this, even trumps my blood oath against Delta. Delta just wanted to overcharge me. United will beat the hell out of - Mel Profit Apr 11, 10:57 3
        
        When I was at the Big Law firm, United was my airline of choice. That was 15 years ago. - ReluctantCynic Apr 11, 11:09
        
        It takes a lot to shock me. This truly shocked me. -- nm - Da5id Apr 11, 10:57 1
        
        It takes a moderate amt to shock me. this shook me. -- nm - Mel Profit Apr 11, 11:10
    - its amazing, its not even cash. Its airline vouchers. If they just upped the ante (like they normally do), someone would have said yes. -- nm - Jovian Apr 11, 10:47 13
      - It's like something out of a movie. If it were fiction, a mystical force would make the airline employees and security guards do it. - Da5id Apr 11, 10:51 12
        
        Seriously - did no one watch wrestling in the late 80's? Everyone's gotta price for the Million Dollar Man. -- nm - Will Hunting Apr 11, 11:18 3
        
        They're down about $400 million in market cap because they wouldn't go up from $1,200. - Da5id Apr 11, 11:24 1
        
        I wonder who the first person was who realized what was happening... - Mel Profit Apr 11, 11:25
        
        seriously. once it gets over 5k I start to think about it... - Mel Profit Apr 11, 11:21
        
        I think I'm going to have to create some kind of Godwin's law for the use of "Trump's America" -- nm - oblique, SuperFeud Champion Apr 11, 10:53 7
        
        Do as you like, but your posts this morning were blowing my mind. - Da5id Apr 11, 10:54 6
        
        I may be naive, but there are very few circumstances I can think of that would result in me getting forcible removed from an airplane - oblique, SuperFeud Champion Apr 11, 11:03 5
        
        "Umm sir? You're going to have to throw your Chipotle in the garbage immediately." -- nm - Shaun Apr 11, 11:31
        
        All you have to do is put yourself in another person's position. - Da5id Apr 11, 11:07 3
        
        one adjustment - someone thinks that it's okay to knock out somebody else as a part of their daily job - Mel Profit Apr 11, 11:14 2
        
        That's right. -- nm - Da5id Apr 11, 11:15 1
        
        hey, we all think it is great that he was not tazed or shot at this point. -- nm - groiny Apr 11, 11:17
- It's a great example of people walking around the common sense of a situation to hide behind poorly written rules. - Da5id Apr 11, 10:35
- I wait patiently for the day that airlines get pressured for stuff and just shift to cancelling fights where there is a problem - oblique, SuperFeud Champion Apr 11, 10:34 1
  - If I have to show/cancel my dentist appointment 24 hours in advance or be charged a cancellation fee, they should have to declare overbook 24hrs too -- nm - Max Apr 11, 10:36
Just to make sure I'm reading this right. They still have to fly you and pay you as well when you get bumped? -- nm - crash davis Apr 11, 10:26
the problem with a lot of this is that people and airlines assume that giving people money can *always* make it better. it doesn't. - Andie Apr 11, 10:25 23
- All of my experiences have been that they've asked the whole flight for volunteers to fly later in exchange for goodies. Someone always takes the - crash davis Apr 11, 10:29 20
  - My last Vegas trip, the flights got changed. My connection flight had *way* too many people and they were offering $1k in free flights for going later - Spawn Apr 11, 10:41
  - right. they're business practice is to overbook because people no-show. they assume the risk that someone may not volunteer to get off... - Mel Profit Apr 11, 10:36
  - "We're offering a rare Pokemon...ooh! look at all those hands go up." -- nm - Max Apr 11, 10:31
  - Right, me too. There have been times I *wished* i could take what they were offering, but i couldn't. But someone could. -- nm - Andie Apr 11, 10:30 6
    - one of the Vegas trips, on the way home, they were offering a crazy deal - groiny Apr 11, 10:38 1
      - my wife took a bump coming to Vegas once when I was at the end of a work trip and staying on. She ended up getting flown first class from chicago to - oblique, SuperFeud Champion Apr 11, 10:40
    - There was a time on an Alaska Airlines where they offered a ticket anywhere in the US. Someone yelled "no one take it, they'll go international" - crash davis Apr 11, 10:33 3
      - "and Tahiti." -- nm - Max Apr 11, 10:34 2
        
        +5 kilbo points -- nm - oblique, SuperFeud Champion Apr 11, 10:34 1
        
        it deserves more than just five points -- nm - crash davis Apr 11, 10:49
  - They always try VDB first and are usually, but not always, successful. -- nm - ty97 Apr 11, 10:30 9
    - I'm not down with you millenials and your funky acronyms. What is VDB? -- nm - crash davis Apr 11, 10:31 8
      - Sorry, I use airline acronyms a bit too readily :) -- nm - ty97 Apr 11, 10:35 2
        
        PNS -- nm - Max Apr 11, 10:36
        
        "I was so excited to get VDB going FRA to ORD on UAL!" -- nm - oblique, SuperFeud Champion Apr 11, 10:36
      - Voluntary denied boarding -- nm - mara Apr 11, 10:32 1
        
        aw, then they should up the ante, imo -- nm - crash davis Apr 11, 10:34
      - Volunteer De Barge -- nm - Max Apr 11, 10:32 1
        
        Who is, Johnny? -- nm - groiny Apr 11, 10:35
      - very dumb blond I think -- nm - Beaker Apr 11, 10:32
- Agreed. On a similar note, I can't tell you how many airline forum posts I've seen along the lines of - ty97 Apr 11, 10:28
- This is why I think people get irate in post offices and places with lines- don't F with somoene's time and expect them to understand your limitations - Max Apr 11, 10:27
as for the last sentence, I don't think he would have... -- nm - oblique, SuperFeud Champion Apr 11, 10:23
TIL: 'aviation lawyer' is a thing -- nm - ty97 Apr 11, 10:20 5
- How do you know what VBD means, but not that there are aviation lawyers? -- nm - Roger More Apr 11, 11:14
- You'll get just compensation and treatment from the airlines...if you're an aviation lawyer. -- nm - Max Apr 11, 10:25
- But not as useful as Bear Lawyer. -- nm - ReluctantCynic Apr 11, 10:23 2
  - Bird law is the most important of all animal law fields. -- nm - Charlie Kelly si Apr 11, 10:27 1
    - Heh. -- nm - kelly Apr 11, 10:28
For when you're getting illegally stuck to -- nm - Max Apr 11, 10:19 1
- by LOUISIANA AUTHORITIES? -- nm - crash davis Apr 11, 10:23

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