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NWBR: yes, but that's not my point. Those negatives are not based on actual things

Posted by Reagen May 9 '17, 07:29

There's an article out there that shows that she's extremely popular when she's in office but not when she's running for one. That says a lot about the public, IMO.

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does not really matter if they are actual or not. -- nm - groiny May 9, 07:41 5
- shouldn't it? -- nm - Andie May 9, 07:41 4
  - Not for the purposes of this discussion. It's politics. A $16 orange juice angers more voters than a $16M program screw up. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request May 9, 07:45
  - in theory, it should, it reality, it doesn't. -- nm - groiny May 9, 07:44
  - apparently no, facts and reality no longer matter because Hillary -- nm - ty97 May 9, 07:42 1
    - (that's a general statement, not a statement at groiny. That's just the point we've reached as a country it seems) -- nm - ty97 May 9, 07:42
Okay, but step back a second. - Name Withheld by Request May 9, 07:36 47
- But it's further to the point that America is not ready. -- nm - Reagen May 9, 07:41 46
  - Yeah,there's been dozens of female governors over the years in over half the States, including several conservative states. I don't buy this. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request May 9, 07:48 9
    - Governor is a world away from President. -- nm - Reagen May 9, 07:55 8
      - The Venn disagram of people who will support a woman for Governor and not President has very little shade in that area. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request May 9, 07:59 7
        
        My read of the American electorate is that they regard the national races verrrry differently from the state level ones. - Reagen May 9, 08:04 6
        
        That's fair, but I still don't think a woman is unelectable for President. Hell, for all of her electoral flaws, Hillary damned near pulled it off. - Name Withheld by Request May 9, 08:08 5
        
        I think it points out how absurdly qualified a woman candidate can be and be rejected. -- nm - Reagen May 9, 08:13 4
        
        Timing was a factor, too. GamerGate's political influence is an insidious factor in all this. -- nm - David May 9, 08:31
        
        Other factors matter than just CV. That's why a Muclair gets his ass handed to him by a Trudeau. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request May 9, 08:27
        
        In favour of an absurdly unqualified candidate. -- nm - Roger More May 9, 08:17 1
        
        This is the point that's impossible to refute. More than 95% of the people who understand politics (newspapers and politicians) advised against a vote - David May 9, 08:33
  - america is ready for a woman president, just not that woman. -- nm - groiny May 9, 07:44 35
    - I believe this - but I am continual shocked at what America does -- nm - Epiphany May 9, 07:49
    - This is the statement made when there is no other argument about why she wasn't elected. if she can't win, no woman can right now. None. -- nm - MDH May 9, 07:46 14
      - You're barely old enough to remember a world where Hillary Clinton wasn't a huge opponent of the Right. -- nm - Will Hunting May 9, 07:50 12
        
        You're mistaking a singular response for a unique one. -- nm* - znufrii, definitely not 40 May 9, 07:56 4
        
        Is there a level of bigotry to HIllary, of course. She was 80k away from winning. - Will Hunting May 9, 08:03 3
        
        Klobuchar isn't going to get a third of the votes Hillary got, and Gillibrand (while I like her) is a white woman from New York, she has no chance. -- nm - MDH May 9, 08:07 2
        
        Respectfully, talking in absolutes like "no chance" doesn't help anything. - David May 9, 08:38
        
        And neither of them have the national profile yet that make them ready targets. As soon as they aspire to it though, we'll see. -- nm - znufrii, definitely not 40 May 9, 08:09
        
        I am old enough, but remind me, in your view, why she became an enemy of the Right? -- nm - ty97 May 9, 07:53 6
        
        Becuase in 1992, America was a fair bit different -- - Will Hunting May 9, 07:58 5
        
        One could also argue that making her point for the failed 90's Health Plan went a long way as well. It was a... - Name Withheld by Request May 9, 08:01 4
        
        But don't both your and Will's points support MDH to an extent - ty97 May 9, 08:17 2
        
        It's an aggregate. She made the role of First Lady political for the first time in 50 years when she took on health care in 1993. - Name Withheld by Request May 9, 08:25 1
        
        I think most people have forgotten that. It's the 25 years of mud-slinging, not one failed policy initiative. - Roger More May 9, 08:46
        
        That falls under the wanting more comment I have. -- nm - Will Hunting May 9, 08:05
      - *shrug* -- nm - groiny May 9, 07:48
    - I honestly don't know if America is ready for a woman president or not (really no clue) but what's to stop the next woman candidate from being 'that - ty97 May 9, 07:46
    - "And no, not that one either..." -- nm - znufrii, definitely not 40 May 9, 07:46 17
      - Instead of a pithy quote, why not you actually argue on why this is wrong - Will Hunting May 9, 07:47 15
        
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        had the roles been reversed, and Hillary was a president, and Bill was running for President years later - groiny May 9, 07:58 10
        
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        and yet, I managed to vote for her despite all that. - groiny May 9, 08:04 8
        
        Thank you for that. - David May 9, 08:40 1
        
        alot of good it did. -- nm - groiny May 9, 08:42
        
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        it is a combination of all of the above, in reality. - groiny May 9, 08:12 4
        
        This is a good post. -- nm - David May 9, 08:43
        
        She lost by 0.8% in WI, 0.2% in MI, and 0.7% in PA. Argument could be made that there were enough people who wouldn't vote for a woman - ty97 May 9, 08:20 2
        
        There would have been a block of voters casting HRC ballots *because* she was a woman. Anyone seen any articles or data figuring out the difference? -- nm - Name Withheld by Request May 9, 08:29 1
        
        I would have thought this in advance. I'm not convinced in hindsight to be honest. (but no, seen no analysis) -- nm* - ty97 May 9, 08:42
        
        Your IM is actually the subject of her upcoming memoir. She is going to be unfiltered about the treatment she received. -- nm - MDH May 9, 07:56
        
        I'll stick with the pithy quote, if it's all the same to you. I think it illustrates my point perfectly. -- nm - znufrii, definitely not 40 May 9, 07:50 1
        
        Oh, it illustrates a lot of points perfectly. -- nm - Will Hunting May 9, 07:51
      - Yup. -- nm - MDH May 9, 07:47

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