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agree or disagree, games vs sports: "if there's no physical risk, it's not real, and if it's not real, it's not a sport. It's a game." -- nm

Posted by Max Jun 23 '17, 12:56

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Any games rules can be modified to have a physically demanding component. Does Risk with shots on every loss suddenly become a sport? -- nm - con_carne Jun 23, 14:08
disagree, because it is silly...basketball when it had lace up balls emphasized passing not dribbling, it was a low speed & barring freak accidents - crash davis Jun 23, 13:21 1
- Well, when it was invented, it was played by bored Midwest white kids cause it was too cold to go outside -- nm - zeitgeist Jun 23, 13:27
There's certain types of car racing that are clearly physically demanding. But what about drag racing? Street racing? -- (edited) - Mop Jun 23, 13:17 8
- Robot Wars? -- nm - Max Jun 23, 13:17 7
  - At what point does the cerebral no longer make it a "sport"? Jeopardy? Wheel of Fortune? - Mop Jun 23, 13:20 6
    - World series of Poker -- nm - zeitgeist Jun 23, 13:51
    - it's not a sport when you have to say things? :) -- nm - oblique Jun 23, 13:23 2
      - Omaha! Omaha! Omaha! -- nm - Peyton Jun 23, 13:27
      - GET IN THE HOLE! - Mop Jun 23, 13:25
    - I'm just thinking Jeopardy is an e-sport where the controller has one button. -- nm - Mop Jun 23, 13:22
    - what about the involuntary luge? -- nm - oblique Jun 23, 13:21
Venn Diagram Man would say there's a huge overlap between "games" and "sports", with some intersections with - TWuG Jun 23, 13:12
Disagree that it's specifically about risk, but that it must have a physical quality to it, definitely. -- nm - znufrii Jun 23, 13:07 3
- I will say that I felt more exhausted after chess tournaments than some of my soccer games, because of the concentration involved. -- nm - Max Jun 23, 13:08 2
  - I'm not making the distinction to try and trivialize games, by any means. - znufrii Jun 23, 13:10 1
    - I was just curious to see ST thoughts. I'm coming down to: "The only time the distinction matters is when you're shelving topics in a library." - Max Jun 23, 13:12
Disagree. Physical risk isn't the point of sport. Some sports have lots of risk (football, boxing), others have next to none (not just sports like - Roger More Jun 23, 13:05 5
- that is a good point but I wouldn't use archery as a next to none example when you compete against some of the guys in the darts thread -- nm - crash davis Jun 23, 13:29 4
  - Well, the risk there is to spectators, not to the player. -- nm - Roger More Jun 23, 13:31 3
    - in an archery match, people are lined up side by side - if Max can hit the ceiling with a dart, he can shoot a fellow competitor - crash davis Jun 23, 13:34 2
      - *walking swiftly out of the building with a frame around my leg while flames erupt from the gallery windows* -- nm - 5 minutes later Jun 23, 13:36 1
        
        dang, and I actually liked that particular gallery -- nm - crash davis Jun 23, 13:40
Disagree. I'd say the differentiation is whether there is organized competition. -- nm - Ender Jun 23, 13:02 4
- Spelling bees have organized competitions -- nm - decline Jun 23, 13:04 3
  - Yes, they do. And they're televised on The Worldwide Leader in Sports. -- nm - Ender Jun 23, 13:10
  - Spelling and geography bees are televised. -- nm - Mop Jun 23, 13:08
  - sticks and stones -- nm - Max Jun 23, 13:04
Is there a physical risk in darts? - Spawn Jun 23, 12:58 8
- judging by the answers, via Max's statement metal tip darts are a sport and soft tip darts are a game -- nm - crash davis Jun 23, 13:23
- I had a dart go through the meaty part of my hand between my thumb and index finger when I was in grade school - oblique Jun 23, 13:17
- I have a friend that lost his eye when a dart bounced off the metal on the board. -- (edited) - Krusty Jun 23, 13:09 4
  - Jesus! That's horrible! -- nm - Mop Jun 23, 13:13 3
    - He still played darts for years after it happened. He just made sure to stay behind the line at all times. -- nm - Krusty Jun 23, 13:28
    - Wait, wait, before we get there... did the dart move around as he was looking around the room? -- nm - Max Jun 23, 13:16 1
      - Hahaha! - Krusty Jun 23, 13:27
- I have been known to hit the ceiling with a dart I intended to through straight at the board. -- nm - Max Jun 23, 13:01
Is there physical risk in golf? - David Jun 23, 12:58 27
- Yes, in the sense of the repetitive toll it takes on the body to execute swings with the level of precision necessary. -- nm - znufrii Jun 23, 13:09 8
  - The same is true of people playing videogames. -- nm - David Jun 23, 13:12 5
    - That's just poor ergonomic interface design. -- (edited) - znufrii Jun 23, 13:14 4
      - Any action that requires repeated replication of the same movement will take a toll on the body. - David Jun 23, 13:19 3
        
        "Time to raise my APM!" -- nm - Reagen Jun 23, 15:10
        
        Which is why I'm arguing that risk does not, in and of itself, make it a sport. -- (edited) - znufrii Jun 23, 13:27
        
        see: groiny's groin -- nm - oblique Jun 23, 13:20
  - Shoulder and back pain = sports. Wrist and thumb pain = not sports? -- nm - Mop Jun 23, 13:12 1
    - Ditto my response to David. -- nm - znufrii Jun 23, 13:16
- Getting run over by Trump in his golfcart -- nm - Amoxy Jun 23, 13:08
- The guy talking metrics yesterday have a story about a presentation he made a Goldman Sachs. - Mop Jun 23, 13:03 4
  - What surprised me was, there are multi million dollar prizes for video game competition -- nm - zeitgeist Jun 23, 13:24 2
    - My boy is gonna help me retire! -- nm - Mop Jun 23, 13:26 1
      - NFL first round draft level money -- nm - zeitgeist Jun 23, 13:29
  - Exactly. -- nm - David Jun 23, 13:12
- argue chess and poker. -- nm - Max Jun 23, 13:02 2
  - lots of great movies about physical risk involved in poker :) -- nm - crash davis Jun 23, 13:37
  - Competitive games. Not sport. -- nm - znufrii Jun 23, 13:05
- Tiger Woods if you are a cute blonde -- nm - peglegpete Jun 23, 12:59
- lightning strikes -- nm - decline Jun 23, 12:59 5
  - You've been watching too much Caddyshack. -- nm - David Jun 23, 13:01 1
    - Rat farts. -- nm - Shardik the Baron Jun 23, 13:13
  - that's a risk if i'm, like, playing scrabble by the pool. -- nm - Andie Jun 23, 13:00 2
    - Everyone stay away from Andie's pool! -- nm - Max Jun 23, 13:01
    - so scrabble is a sport too! -- nm - decline Jun 23, 13:01
- water hazard alligators -- nm - Epiphany Jun 23, 12:58
- whoa -- nm - Spawn Jun 23, 12:58

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