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In response to "This is so scary. Who the hell thinks this is a good idea? Why are they just continuing to try and try and TRY?! Give up you bastards!" by Epiphany

Personally,

Posted by Strongbad (aka Rambler14) Sep 20 '17, 13:20

I like the idea of allowing a state like CA to pass their own single payer system,

Which this bill will allow?

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I'm sure that having states run individual healthcare systems will work seamlessly. -- nm - David Sep 20, 13:41 7
- It's how it's done in other federal countries like Canada and Australia. Of course there's massive redistributing of funds from the federal to the - Roger More Sep 20, 13:44 6
  - And explicit standards of care. -- nm - Reagen Sep 20, 13:58 1
    - Yep - though looking into it, even then there's wiggle room. In Canada, the provinces have to ensure that all medically necessary healthcare services - Roger More Sep 20, 14:18
  - Our systems are pretty similar from provinces to provinces though. Not like the difference between a purely market driven system and single payer -- nm - Guigue Sep 20, 13:50 3
    - Sure, but we also have general agreement across the country on how healthcare should be provided. - Roger More Sep 20, 13:58 2
      - It makes less sense due to that lack of consensus. -- nm - David Sep 20, 14:00 1
        
        Not if the solution is a system that you don't like though. -- nm - Roger More Sep 20, 14:07
But it will dramatically cut the money have to do that with (or even if they leave the existing system in place). Not to mention all the rest of the - pmb Sep 20, 13:26
what do we lose in order to gain it? Is it a certainty that CA would pass their own system? what happens if they don't? - Epiphany Sep 20, 13:25 1
- The repairs are simple and straightforward. The proposals will make everything way worse. Hence the CBO analysis of these plans. -- nm - pmb Sep 20, 13:27
It specifically prohibits them from doing so. -- nm - Reagen Sep 20, 13:22 7
- That doesn't seem to be the case - though there's a Senator actively pushing for the bill to include this explicitly -- (link) - Roger More Sep 20, 13:27
- That's not what I'm hearing, but ok. We'll all find out once we see the actual bill. -- nm - Strongbad Sep 20, 13:24 5
  - link -- (link) - Roger More Sep 20, 13:39
  - And we probably won't see the bill until an hour before they vote -- nm - amoxy Sep 20, 13:35 3
    - We have to pass it to find out what's in it! -- nm - Strongbad Sep 20, 13:37 2
      - Something that's been a war cry for voters who now aspire to do exactly the same thing, only without the unmistakable positives. -- nm - David Sep 20, 13:40
      - Meh, there hasn't been death panel-style hysteria to hide what's in it. -- nm* - Roger More Sep 20, 13:39

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