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In response to "(WaPo finally explained it so I understood) What is ‘edge-sorting’ and why did it cost a poker star $10 million in winnings?" by crash davis

I think Ivey got ripped off now that I understand. The casino participated. -- nm

Posted by crash davis (aka crash davis) Oct 31 '17, 10:31

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He absolutely got ripped off. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Oct 31, 11:03
Would the casino had let Ivey keep his $9M if he had lost? -- nm - Strongbad Oct 31, 10:39 2
- If he was putting that much money into a game he hadn’t rigged, he deserves to lose. -- nm - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 10:46
- *puppy dog head tilt* -- nm - crash davis Oct 31, 10:44
He did. The court basically ruled that a casino can break any rule and keep the winnings if a player agrees, but the reverse isn't true. -- nm - David Oct 31, 10:35 16
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- In a way, the casino could argue here that the dealer and Ivey conspired to rip off the casino no matter how much the dealer denies it. What is - kilboooooo, SuperFeud Champion and Tenth Astronaut Oct 31, 10:52 1
  - That's a known. The pit boss and the manager of the casino both authorized all bets. -- nm - David Oct 31, 10:56
- The casino isn’t asking the player to modify how the game is played -- nm - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 10:48 10
  - But if he'd lost, they would have kept that money. It's a pretty black and white discussion. -- nm - David Oct 31, 10:53 8
    - I agree with David. -- nm - ReluctantCynic Oct 31, 10:55 1
      - yes, very "black and white" -- nm - mud Oct 31, 10:57
    - If the fix didn’t work, he would never have been in for a meaningful amount in the first place. -- (edited) - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 10:54 5
      - To the contrary, he gambles 8 figures on a weekly basis. -- nm - David Oct 31, 10:55 4
        
        That’s as may be, but he most likely wouldn’t have been in that particular game. -- (edited) - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 10:56 3
        
        Sure he would have. He'd played that very game three days prior for a similar amount. Your arguments just don't hold. -- nm - David Oct 31, 10:59 2
        
        I assume you meant to say he played a normal version of that game? - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 11:02 1
        
        Dude. -- nm - David Oct 31, 11:04
  - Yeah, they just freaking modify it if they feel like it. No asking. -- nm - crash davis Oct 31, 10:51
- By "the reverse isn't true", do you mean "in the eyes of the law" or "effectively"? -- nm - Roger More Oct 31, 10:47 1
  - Both. -- nm - David Oct 31, 10:49
You have to look at the ruling and the law. Ivey was in violation of NJ state gaming rules, not casino rules. -- nm* - Max Oct 31, 10:35
That’s a worrying standard. - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 10:34 4
- That's how I look at it also. He basically scammed the dealer into helping him win more. No way that should be allowed to stand. -- nm - kilboooooo, SuperFeud Champion and Tenth Astronaut Oct 31, 10:39 2
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  - Don’t get me wrong, I still think the casinos are dumb as shit for falling for this. - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 10:43
- Since I'm not actually ruling this from a point of law, I can let my absolute lack of sympathy for casinos show. -- nm - crash davis Oct 31, 10:36

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