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Any of you guys go into a casino. You think if you ask, they're not going to change a shoe on you? Or any other weird request?

Posted by crash davis (aka crash davis) Oct 31 '17, 11:06

They wanted Phil Ivey there. That is why they did that crap.

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They did what they did to take his money -- but didn't realize he had already outsmarted them. - Will Hunting Oct 31, 11:15 5
- They only exploit people if there's a hidden rule that changes the odds. They accommodate superstitions they know have no affect on the outcome. - Max Oct 31, 12:05 3
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  - Only, the game wasn't over, bub. In fact, they gave three different levels of authorization for it. -- nm - David Oct 31, 12:12 1
    - Did they do so believing that Ivey was gaining a statistical edge not available to other superstitious players? -- nm - Max Oct 31, 12:24
- I like your last two inside sentences. Sort of my feelings exactly. -- nm - crash davis Oct 31, 11:21
They provided the cards. That the cards could be identified from the back isn't Ivey's fault. -- nm - TWuG, neck model Oct 31, 11:14 20
- It is, because he was the one who requested that certain ones be turned to allow him to do so. -- nm* - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 11:19 17
  - But the casino agreed to that, didn't they? -- nm - mara Oct 31, 11:52
  - I feel about this the way I feel about card counting. If the casino thinks you're doing it they can kick you out. But if they don't kick you out - TWuG, neck model Oct 31, 11:27 15
    - We discussed this comparison the last time this came up, fwiw. -- nm - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 11:31
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      - here's the thing -- if the company feels i'm cheating them, they'll stop me - Will Hunting Oct 31, 11:37 7
        
        "You're doing well." "I'm paying attention to the imperfections in the card edges." "Oh, that's smart, you deserve to win." -- nm - said no employed dealer ever Oct 31, 12:00
        
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        To your last question, yes. And as I said, it happens every minute of the day in a casino. - David Oct 31, 11:49 4
        
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        No, I honestly don't understand the point at all. This is business as usual. Ergo, it's not illegal. -- nm - David Oct 31, 11:57
        
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        Nothing in the article I read alluded to the casino being in violation of its own policies by making concessions to a whale as to how a game is played -- nm* - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 12:08
      - You'll notice the gamblers are all saying the same thing here. That kind of thing happens every minute of the day at a casino. -- nm - David Oct 31, 11:31 4
        
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        Yes. -- nm - David Oct 31, 11:39 2
        
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        See above. -- nm - David Oct 31, 11:49
- Once I understood, my first thought was "My eyes aren't that good" :) -- nm - crash davis Oct 31, 11:15 1
  - Right? -- nm - David Oct 31, 11:21
The situation's simple. - David Oct 31, 11:09 4
- The fraud is proven by the outcome. - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 11:22 3
  - You've listed like 17 different things and been wrong about all of them. That should give you pause. -- nm - David Oct 31, 11:26 2
    - When have I ever let that stop me? -- nm - znoooooofrii Oct 31, 11:28 1
      - Touche? -- nm - David Oct 31, 11:28

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