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In response to "LIR for Colin, re charities vs. government. -- (link)" by pmb

The most amazing part of American society today is how many people don't appreciate the benefits of government.

Posted by David (aka David) Dec 4 '17, 11:15

It kind of blows me away. This was a Thanksgiving dinner conversation at my house. People just assume the government is terrible with taxpayer money.

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oh man, our local library is INCREDIBLE. i'm happy for that. - colin Dec 4, 11:28
One major party has spent the better part of the last 35+ years simply arguing that government is terrible and wasteful. It's been a cynical scam to - pmb Dec 4, 11:19 2
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  - True. It's really horrifyingly evil. It boggles my mind that even never Trumpers on the right still have something of a blindspot on this stuff. - pmb Dec 4, 11:59
oh, I think people are aware, but the stories that are rampant about how much $ the government wastes is tainting the reality. -- nm - groiny Dec 4, 11:16 33
- We’ll need to start looking at how the ultra rich are using their money from this tax cut, and do a comparison. -- nm - znufrii Dec 4, 11:18 12
  - Honestly, I don't care what the super rich do with their money. - groiny Dec 4, 11:20 10
    - But that's ultimately the point. The GOP sells it that these tax cuts will be good for everybody because the rich will plow this into increased wages - pmb Dec 4, 11:38
    - But let’s cut their taxes because the government is stupid and wasteful, goes that line of reasoning. -- (edited) - znufrii Dec 4, 11:21 8
      - And just to be clear -- (edited) - znufrii Dec 4, 11:24 7
        
        did not even cross my mind that you were implying that. -- nm - groiny Dec 4, 11:28 6
        
        Ok. Just wanted to make sure. - znufrii Dec 4, 11:30 5
        
        oh, I have no doubt you will say something today that will be legit argument inducing. -- nm - groiny Dec 4, 11:31 4
        
        I’ll try and live up to my reputation, then. -- nm - znufrii Dec 4, 11:34 3
        
        sometimes, you just have to accept it. - groiny Dec 4, 11:35 2
        
        At least he did not call Pippy fat. -- nm - Spawn Dec 4, 11:36 1
        
        STFU, rabble rouser -- nm - groiny Dec 4, 11:36
  - And of course, whether or not companies are actually creating the jobs they said they would. -- nm - znufrii Dec 4, 11:19
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- how much tax payer money was spent to pay settlements for politician sexual harrassment claims? - Epiphany Dec 4, 11:17 8
  - And police misconduct claims. Chicago has spent a ton on this in the last several years at time when its budget has been tough anyway. -- nm - pmb Dec 4, 11:21 4
    - good lord, do not get me started on that one!!!! - groiny Dec 4, 11:22 3
      - what happened about that? -- nm - Epiphany Dec 4, 11:31 2
        
        I am pretty much fucked and have to pay it. - groiny Dec 4, 11:34 1
        
        dude...that sucks bad. sorry. -- nm - Epiphany Dec 4, 11:42
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    - hee! I have my own reasons for thinking lawyers are horrible. - Epiphany Dec 4, 11:22 1
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- It's like focusing on how a $500 million lottery winner spends $70 at Starbucks. That makes them thirsty, not wasteful. -- nm - David Dec 4, 11:17 9
  - sure, but over the course of a year, that $70 a day could do some real good somewhere else. -- nm - groiny Dec 4, 11:18 4
    - But nothing will ever be 100% efficient. Private institutions are no better. I know our office isn't. - pmb Dec 4, 11:25 3
      - right, but that also does not mean that they should not review those costs and try to cut out some of the fat for everyone's sake. -- nm - groiny Dec 4, 11:27 2
        
        They should and do. Regularly. But they will never be perfect. And there will always be people who exploit the system in ways that they will - pmb Dec 4, 11:34 1
        
        agreed. -- nm - groiny Dec 4, 11:35
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    - I have no idea how much anything costs at Starbucks. -- nm - David Dec 4, 11:19 2
      - You'd love a double frap choco mocho chino - Epiphany Dec 4, 11:24 1
        
        What I like about coffee is that I don't have to drink it. I resent when I do have to smell it, though. -- nm - David Dec 4, 11:31

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