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So the tide is turning for Ansari? What the hell world are we in?

Posted by Will Hunting (aka JoeMetz) Jan 16 '18, 06:36

if the woman told him no, that's a no...right? If he continues, he's wrong.

how is this becoming something other than what it is...a dude pushing forward after no?

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Sure, it's not Weinstein, a serial predator...it's something more commonplace and still wrong.

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When she actually said "no" they put their clothes back on and watched Seinfeld. -- nm* - Ender Jan 16, 06:58 1
- From what I read, it wasn’t as final as that. Pretty sure the persistence continued (and from his perspective, was successful?) - Beryllium Jan 16, 08:07
He's wrong, and a dick for continuing. The question becomes is verbally pushing after a woman says no equal to sexual assault. - Inigo Jan 16, 06:51 7
- "Sexual assault" is getting thrown around *WAY* too easily now. It's insulting to the people who have truly been victims. -- nm - Shaun Jan 16, 07:01 6
  - Yeah, "sexual assault" has become "global warming" at this point. -- nm - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 16, 07:46
  - We want guys to stand up for women, we also have to stand up for guys. Lets be fair. " assault" was too far of a label. - Epiphany Jan 16, 07:06 4
    - Sexual Misfeasance -- nm - Beryllium Jan 16, 07:52 3
      - i think 'sexual aggression' would be fair. -- nm - Andie Jan 16, 08:03 2
        
        I didn’t read the full details, mostly only the bit I mentioned above, so it could be that. -- nm - Beryllium Jan 16, 08:09 1
        
        sexually insistent? -- nm - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 16, 08:35
I think where it turned is: the media called it sexual assault when clearly it wasn't. - Epiphany Jan 16, 06:50 5
- Take a look at the link I posted. I found it to be quite enlightening as to why it isn't always "NO!!!!!" in those situations. If "No" = "I'm going - just oblique Jan 16, 06:54 4
  - I just went and read it - I disagree that it applies to that situation. At no time was she fearful or was he threatening. He didn't keep her there. - Epiphany Jan 16, 07:04 3
    - Right. I don't think she felt threatened. Pressured, yes. And, obviously, i don't think she was in the wrong. But i don't think this one is as - Andie Jan 16, 07:06 2
      - Does a guy have to actual threaten her for her to feel threatened or to question "what if it goes horribly wrong if I say no"? I'd think mountains of - just oblique Jan 16, 07:10 1
        
        ... - Andie Jan 16, 07:32
I found this article to be spot on as to why what he did was very very wrong -- (link) - just oblique Jan 16, 06:50
The world wher everything has to be rendered in black and white and we lack the capacity to understand nuance and ambiguity. -- (edited) - znufrii Jan 16, 06:47 2
- If the expectation is No = No, then No = keep trying to cajole is not nuance and ambiguity. it's just wrong. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 16, 07:05 1
  - Yes, but which kind of wrong? - znufrii Jan 16, 07:13
I was thinking the same thing last night. It's not on the level of the more serious accusations but still very wrong. -- nm - Krusty Jan 16, 06:38
oh, it's wrong, i don't think anyone is saying it isn't. but not all crimes are equal. that's all. -- nm - Andie Jan 16, 06:37

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