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In response to "We have toll bridges here, which is new to me" by Reagen

If they build a toll road I am sort of okay with it. If they start charging tolls on roads we already have, I am not. -- nm

Posted by Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion (aka Spawn) Jan 23 '18, 08:04

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Why? Upkeep costs money. Roads don't self-maintain -- nm - ty97 Jan 23, 08:07 29
- And all the roads we've built are going to bankrupt us with maintenance. -- nm - spamlet Jan 23, 08:08 2
  - We have had roads for 200 years and are still here. -- nm - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 23, 08:09 1
    - We've substantially changed how our development patterns work in the last half century. - spamlet Jan 23, 08:13
- That is what taxes are for. -- nm - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 23, 08:08 25
  - Explain the difference between building a road with tolls and keeping up a road with tolls. I don't see it? - ty97 Jan 23, 08:13 18
    - A toll road is built as an option for faster travel. If you want to exercise that option, you pay for it. - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 23, 08:16 17
      - Okay, so then let's shut down the roads we can't afford to maintain. -- nm - ty97 Jan 23, 08:17 16
        
        Yes, that sounds good. Or increase the average salary, to bolster tax revenues. Or both. -- nm - Beryllium Jan 23, 08:18 14
        
        Well the government isn't going to increase average salaries, so ho do we fund the roads? -- nm - ty97 Jan 23, 08:27 13
        
        sell all of our national parks to developers and oil companies -- nm - decline Jan 23, 08:33
        
        Property tax, gasoline tax, license plate fees. -- nm - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 23, 08:30 8
        
        So you're okay raising all those taxes as long as we don't toll roads? -- nm - ty97 Jan 23, 08:31 7
        
        Yes. But they also need to stop the pointless roads projects. I-69 going on here is a great example. Has been going on for years -- (edited) - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 23, 08:39 4
        
        Nice. -- nm - Reagen Jan 23, 08:59
        
        Everyone thinks the roads they don't use are pointless. -- nm - spamlet Jan 23, 08:52 2
        
        I drive down it every week day. Of course, it was known as 37 for the last 50 years. -- nm - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 23, 09:04
        
        I mean, most of the time they're just *sittin'* there! -- nm - prayformojo Jan 23, 09:02
        
        also of note, they no longer want families to share an IPass transponder, so you need to have one for every car. - groiny Jan 23, 08:37
        
        it costs me 40 dollars every 2 months just to drive places..... - groiny Jan 23, 08:35
        
        By properly taxing the rich and the corporations instead of giving them breaks while they Cratchit the population. -- nm - Beryllium Jan 23, 08:29 2
        
        You might like this country named Canada -- nm - ty97 Jan 23, 08:30 1
        
        I’ve heard good things, but I suspect it has similar problems in this regard, due to similar infrastructure choices in the age of suburbia. - Beryllium Jan 23, 08:34
        
        Agreed. -- nm - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 23, 08:18
  - Exactly. Roads are a public good that benefit everyone and should be maintained by everyone. - TWuG, ten-stone griddle-chip Jan 23, 08:12 5
    - Agreed. Plus the gasoline tax makes far more sense than a toll if you want to stick it to those that use the service. -- nm - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 23, 08:14
    - oh I don't want them quasi-private, I agree with that. Roads shouldn't be for-profit. But tolling as a funding method? I don't see the issue. -- nm - ty97 Jan 23, 08:14 3
      - Lets start charging parents for their kids to go to public school, too. I mean, why should people with no kids pay for that? -- nm - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 23, 08:19 2
        
        yes, that's the same thing -- nm - ty97 Jan 23, 08:21 1
        
        I WIN! -- nm - Spawn: Six Time Blood Feud Champion Jan 23, 08:22

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