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Here's the video of the Uber self-driving accident. WTF..?!!

Posted by Mop (aka rburriel) Mar 22 '18, 09:57

She *comes out of nowhere* but why didn't the car see her? The car is supposed to have sensors I don't have.

Also, WTF was she doing there in the middle of the street? It's moot that she was hit by a self-driving car. Any car on that stretch of road would have hit her.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43497364 (www.bbc.com)

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A car going 45mph takes approximately 146 feet to come to a complete stop. -- nm - Shaun Mar 22, 10:59
I absolutely understand why the human didn't catch it. Sure seems like the car should have. She didn't jump off the curb, she was 3/4 of the way across the street. -- nm - Ender Mar 22, 10:01 33
- Also... "Our cars remain grounded..." Well... yeah... they've always been on the ground... -- nm - Ender Mar 22, 10:06
- Exactly. This is what is meant to sell self-driving cars. They're supposed to be smarter, safer. -- nm - Mop Mar 22, 10:05 30
  - They are smarter because they don't vote GOP. Not much in other ways yet. (NM) - Marlowe Mar 22, 10:51
  - What makes you think they aren't? -- nm - Strongbad Mar 22, 10:09 5
    - There doesn't seem to be a good reason why the lidar laser sensor didn't see her. -- nm - mara Mar 22, 10:12 3
      - Agreed, not yet. - Strongbad Mar 22, 10:17 2
        
        40 K!!!! Ban cars!!!!! -- nm - groiny Mar 22, 10:19 1
        
        License drivers! -- nm - Mop Mar 22, 10:23
    - I'm sure they are. I just don't see how the lidar couldn't see what clearly my eyes missed. -- nm - Mop Mar 22, 10:11
  - while i agree with this, it's not like a human driver would have likely been able to stop in this instance. -- nm - Andie Mar 22, 10:06 22
    - Uber's cars don't just use cameras though, they use a radar array to identify obstacles and avoid collisions (as well as lidar, but I don't think - Roger More Mar 22, 10:15 6
      - oh, i agree. but in *this case* i am just saying it's not like a human driver would have been safer. -- nm - Andie Mar 22, 10:16 5
        
        Oh sure, sorry. -- nm - Roger More Mar 22, 10:21
        
        this is one of the times where I think we are trying to not blame the victim...... - groiny Mar 22, 10:18 3
        
        Yeah... the car should've seen it better than a human driver... but the pedestrian was still jaywalking directly in front of a car she should have seen. -- nm - Ender Mar 22, 10:21 2
        
        No question. An aware pedestrian is going to see the headlights coming from what I could see on the video. Of course, people are very often impaired - just oblique Mar 22, 10:22 1
        
        does not excuse them from responsibility. - groiny Mar 22, 10:25
    - probably not but really the argument is two-fold - just oblique Mar 22, 10:08 12
      - does the car have the tech to stop faster when going over a certain speed? - groiny Mar 22, 10:11 7
        
        Take visual sensors out of the mix, any kind of radar or non-visual sensor should have seen an object moving left to right before they crossed into - just oblique Mar 22, 10:12 6
        
        My money's on "the computer got confused by a person walking behind a bike and failed to classify it as either a bicyclist or a pedestrian". -- nm - Ender Mar 22, 10:18 4
        
        Confusion might be a good time to brake until more information is gathered/interpreted. -- nm - psilotum Mar 22, 10:20 3
        
        Sometimes, but there IS a threshold. A car driving down the highway can't come to a complete stop for every tire tread and cardboard box. - Ender Mar 22, 10:30 2
        
        This was a five foot tall, and five or six feet wide at the base so whether it was human or merely trash, a driver wouldn't ignore it -- nm - zeitgeist Mar 22, 14:17 1
        
        "This is speaking more broadly and not specifically about this instance. This clearly should have been above that threshold." -- nm - Ender Mar 23, 08:14
        
        sometimes, people get run over. -- nm - groiny Mar 22, 10:13
      - i don't know if it was a phone, i think it might have been the dash they were looking at. (2) is the issue. -- nm* - Andie Mar 22, 10:09 3
        
        I probably don't have an accurate sense of how often I do that while driving, but it was pretty remarkable to see on the video how frequent and how - just oblique Mar 22, 10:11 1
        
        because he isn't really driving. it would make sense that he'd be looking at the info on the dash more. -- nm - Andie Mar 22, 10:11
        
        That's my thinking too. -- nm - Ender Mar 22, 10:10
    - correct, it was pretty dark, and I did not see her on the video until the car was right on her. - groiny Mar 22, 10:08
    - Absolutely. If I was driving in that situation, I don't see how I save that woman's life. -- nm - Mop Mar 22, 10:08
- this -- nm - just oblique Mar 22, 10:03
sometimes, people get run over. -- nm - groiny Mar 22, 10:01
You need to read this NYT article if you haven't yet. -- (link) - Strongbad Mar 22, 10:00
It's already been mathematically proven that it was physically *impossible* for that outcome to have changed. - Shaun Mar 22, 09:59 4
- It looked a whole lot less on the video like "person stepping out into traffic" than "person in street" - just oblique Mar 22, 10:02
- Steven Shladover, a UC Berkeley research engineer who has been studying automated systems for decades, sees it differently. -- (link) - mara Mar 22, 10:02
- That is what you think. -- nm - Dr. Samuel Beckett Mar 22, 10:01 1
  - I've tried everything. -- nm - Phil Connors Mar 22, 10:05

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