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Granting that his support is far far higher than it should be and that we can't relax for a second, I don't quite get why people say he'll be

Posted by Reagen Jul 16 '18, 09:50

"re-elected easily". Yes, all of the crazies have hung on tightly. But he's gained no new supporters and has pissed away any regional advantages he had. MI, WI, PA were 77,000 votes away from flipping. He's more than shed that, and other states weren't much farther away.

It really does come down to me that Hillary was a uniquely (and unfairly) demonized candidate.

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Because 2016 killed hope, Reagen. -- nm - Beryllium Jul 16, 10:37
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Because he'll be deemed Esteemed Ruler, or we'll be under Russian rule, by then. -- nm - JaxSean Jul 16, 10:24 1
- This. He will count the votes himself. - Marlowe Jul 16, 10:37
I agree here. That said, I'm not at all convinced he goes for the second term yet. Many moving pieces yet to slip into place. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Jul 16, 10:22 4
- So far he's raised $88 million for his re-election campaign. -- nm - Diva Jul 16, 10:40 2
  - I think he would be doing that no matter what, but I could see his decision coming yay or nay, deep into 2019. -- nm - Name Withheld by Request Jul 16, 10:56
  - But paid out $90mil to his own shell companies making signs and ads. -- nm - Will Hunting, King of Blood Feud Jul 16, 10:43
- He has to avoid absolute disaster in the midterms for starters. -- nm - crash davis Jul 16, 10:27
As for people sticking with the party, he is doing a decent job of whittling down self-identified Republicans. -- nm - crash davis Jul 16, 10:20
I would add in one important factor: We are among the 10 to 15% of the population that actively pays attention to politics on a daily basis. - ReluctantCynic Jul 16, 10:19 5
- This is the fatalism that I was talking about below. - Reagen Jul 16, 10:32 2
  - "The power of accurate perception is commonly referred to as cynicism by those who have not got it." (George Bernard Shaw) - ReluctantCynic Jul 16, 10:41 1
    - I'm not accusing anyone here of cynicism, fwiw, just the opposite. -- nm - Reagen Jul 16, 11:10
- heh, your Economist article quotes Springsteen but doesn't give credit to him. FAKE NEWS! - crash davis Jul 16, 10:23 1
  - Bruce Springsteen, noted communications expert, has always been at the forefront of American politics. - ReluctantCynic Jul 16, 10:25
because people vote for candidates, not against others. the democrats have nobody they can run who'll get enough support to overvote the trump - amanda Jul 16, 10:19 1
- I'm trying to argue against this but I've got cases for each. - Mop Jul 16, 10:23
Anti-Bacon -- nm - Spawn: Blood Feud God Jul 16, 10:18
Unless Putin is stepping down before then. - znufrii Jul 16, 10:07
As of right now...it will be Bernie (ugh)... -- nm - Remlik Jul 16, 10:07 1
- I don't think current polls measure much besides name recognition. -- nm - mara Jul 16, 10:09
Because the Democrats are going to implode arguing about candidates not being progressive enough. -- nm - jnine Jul 16, 09:58 13
- maybe. I certainly see that in the primary. Midterms will be interesting -- nm - Remlik Jul 16, 10:12 2
  - Where are you seeing that in anything but isolated cases? -- nm - znufrii Jul 16, 10:17 1
    - my online feed of dem friends who are younger and their friends -- nm - Remlik Jul 16, 10:40
- "I agree with 99% of this person's agenda, but that 1% man, I just can't get by it; I think I'll just stay home" -- nm - Beaker Jul 16, 10:00 9
  - I don't think hardcore progressives staying home is nearly as likely to get Trump reelected as... -- (edited) - Ender Jul 16, 10:21 1
    - You’ll get to kick the football this time, for sure, Charlie Brown! - znufrii Jul 16, 10:29
  - “...just not her.” -- nm - znufrii Jul 16, 10:19
  - This isn't being born out by special elections or midterm polling, fwiw. -- nm - Reagen Jul 16, 10:06 4
    - No Trump bump in CA elections getting people out to vote D. -- (link) - jnine Jul 16, 10:23 1
      - That's an apples to handgrenades comparison to say that there isn't a bump. -- nm - Reagen Jul 16, 10:29
    - polling got it wrong last election so don't totally base anything on it 100% right now. -- nm - Remlik Jul 16, 10:10 1
      - It very much didn't. Final polls predicted the popular vote bang on, including the final shifts. - Reagen Jul 16, 10:15
  - Exactly. -- nm - ReluctantCynic Jul 16, 10:03
1) The economy is doing great and historically people vote based on that. 2) Who will be his opponent? -- nm - con_carne Jul 16, 09:57 13
- A nice little summary of 15 possible Dem candidates from yesterday. (Anybody want to start a pool?) -- (link*) - mara Jul 16, 10:05 1
  - If it's Bernie, the Democrat voters are actually dumber than I thought. -- nm - Will Hunting, King of Blood Feud Jul 16, 10:07
- 1) The economy is doing great now and his support is mired at 40. 2) In several early polls, All notable Dem names have sizable leads on him. -- nm - Reagen Jul 16, 10:00 10
  - The fact that we're even considering someone other than the candidate who won the popular vote by 3M shows a tremendous amount of -- (edited) - con_carne Jul 16, 10:04 5
    - I think she might possibly win a rematch, but it would be close. There are better shots. -- nm - Reagen Jul 16, 10:07 3
      - she wouldn't get the nomination. The Dem party is to split to back her...She's a party elder for sure and has a ton of power, but she wouldn't get the - Remlik Jul 16, 10:09 2
        
        No, I agree. I'm talking in the hypothetical that she did. -- nm - Reagen Jul 16, 10:10 1
        
        gotcha. -- nm - Remlik Jul 16, 10:11
    - She did lose the election vs the most unqualified person to run on a major party in well over 100 years. - Will Hunting, King of Blood Feud Jul 16, 10:06
  - on #2, wait for it... -- nm - Putin Jul 16, 10:01 3
    - I don't subscribe to fatalism. -- nm - Reagen Jul 16, 10:02 2
      - Oh, that doesn't require a subscription, it just shows up every week like Valpak coupons. -- nm - Ender Jul 16, 10:07
      - *poisons you* -- nm - Putin Jul 16, 10:02

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