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ty, I don't believe in censorship. Even if someone is saying something I loathe.

Posted by Spawn Dec 6 '18, 12:36

An artist is allowed to create.

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Jesus, we're still holding people "accountable" for 8-year-old attempts at Twitter humor? -- nm - Ender Dec 6, 14:48 1
- How do we think it could work otherwise? - Reagen Dec 6, 14:58
If I believed Hart should be dismissed from his gig, I’d have to believe I could be dismissed from my own for my novels. So, enjoy the show Kevin. -- nm - Qale Dec 6, 14:17
Creative freedom is great and necessary. But a lot of people use it as a shield from criticism - Reagen Dec 6, 12:56 6
- Every once in a while, those unfunny comedians figure their shit out. Should they then be punished for their previous unfunniness? - Beryllium Dec 6, 13:00 5
  - He was selling out stadiums at this time. He wasn't some obscure nightclub dude. -- nm - Reagen Dec 6, 13:03 3
    - Well, then, he has a bigger hill of contrition to climb. -- nm - Beryllium Dec 6, 13:06 2
      - Maybe he's gotta turn into some kind of Contrisyphus. -- nm - Beryllium Dec 6, 13:08 1
        
        It's probably best we don't mention Sisyphus around him lest that set off his insecurities. -- nm - Reagen Dec 6, 14:27
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And the government hasn't arrested him or taking away his right to say what he wants, so he's not being censored. -- nm* - ty97 Dec 6, 12:41 40
- This is where I come down. I don't believe in censorship (narrowly defined), but private entities don't have to put up with ... - ReluctantCynic Dec 6, 12:49 27
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    - A lot of people I talk to on a daily basis -- a lot of whom are pretty smart, well-informed folks. - ReluctantCynic Dec 6, 13:56 1
      - Actually, here is a decent guest column in HuffPost -- from an English professor at UCF -- laying out the arguments that I hear quite a lot. - ReluctantCynic Dec 6, 14:37
    - There's censorship and there's self-censorship which is about not saying the joke I want to make because people will boo me and call me racist/sexist/ - Roger More Dec 6, 12:54 23
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        Right - that's what we do every day of our lives. But we also have different rules for artists (including comedians) who we encourage to comment on - Roger More Dec 6, 13:06 16
        
        Right. I often think of a Louis CK bit (if we can still talk about him). Actually one of many because he was brilliant at walking the line. It was - pmb Dec 6, 14:01
        
        part of it is that it's so weak a joke as to seem just like a genuine opinion of his. - Reagen Dec 6, 13:12 12
        
        It's just boy talk. Locker room talk. -- nm - Melania Dec 6, 13:41
        
        I feel it is different, when your job is to make people laugh, a big part of that is making them kind of uncomfortable. - groiny Dec 6, 13:14 10
        
        Speaking about Hart's jokes specifically, they're more about making his audience comfortable. - Roger More Dec 6, 13:25 4
        
        But his jokes are not making those people uncomfortable. They are confirming the way those people think. - ty97 Dec 6, 13:28 2
        
        That's... what I said. Maybe you meant to reply to groiny? -- nm* - Roger More Dec 6, 13:31
        
        Which is my point. It is not *his* responsibility to not make that $. -- nm - Spawn Dec 6, 13:31
        
        thing is, Twitter makes everyone the audience. -- nm - groiny Dec 6, 13:27
        
        But it wasn't just his sets, it was his tweets. Dude has some issues with the topic of gay for real. -- nm - ty97 Dec 6, 13:25 4
        
        some people do. - groiny Dec 6, 13:29 3
        
        "you're not his audience" falls away as an excuse when you're trying to attract a larger audience. -- nm - Reagen Dec 6, 14:06 2
        
        at the time of the tweets, he needed the publicity, now not so much. - groiny Dec 6, 14:09 1
        
        "we become who we pretend to be" -- nm - Reagen Dec 6, 14:11
        
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        yes -- nm - groiny Dec 6, 13:07
        
        "hey boss, you're an asshole! Sorry, I just don't believe in censorship." -- nm - Reagen Dec 6, 12:57 4
        
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        I don't understand why we're constantly re-litigating things no one disagrees with. -- nm - Reagen Dec 6, 13:04 1
        
        "I strenuously agree." -- nm - Beryllium Dec 6, 13:05
        
        Is baconization a form of censorship? -- nm - Beryllium Dec 6, 13:01
- Agreed. I am saying we have no right to tell him to censor himself. We have a right to ignore him if we do not like what he says. Which is exactly... - Spawn Dec 6, 12:43 8
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    - Uhm... that is my point. This is the audience's fault for elevating the guy. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure I have heard this stuff on comedy - Spawn Dec 6, 12:48 5
      - I, as a gay man, have watched Kevin Hart movies. I, as a gay man, had no idea of this history. - ty97 Dec 6, 12:49 3
        
        Did you watch Get Hard? -- nm - Roger More Dec 6, 12:50 2
        
        I did not -- nm - ty97 Dec 6, 12:51 1
        
        The clues are there, but they're subtle! -- nm - Roger More Dec 6, 13:06
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  - And if people think what he says/does is offensive, then people have a right to ask an organization to not amplify him. -- nm - ty97 Dec 6, 12:44
- also, listen, I'm not even saying whether he should be fired or not, I don't know. I'm just saying he's an asshole. - ty97 Dec 6, 12:42 2
  - Hey, I am still on TeamPattonOswald, here. -- nm - Spawn Dec 6, 12:44 1
    - hear hear! -- nm - mud Dec 6, 13:19

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