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I will accept arguments that Greg Maddux was a better pitcher than Pedro, and will listen to arguements about Randy Johnson, even the fat tub o' goo.

Posted by musubi May 28 '09, 10:54

But Glavine? I'm sorry no. He's great, he's hall of fame, he's all that and a bad of chips, but he's not in Pedro's class.

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If we're talking full career (as my poll was) I don't think you can overlook nearly 50% more wins. - Will Hunting May 28, 10:55 14
- Lasting long is special no doubt. Unlike most Mets fans, I really do like Glavine a lot. Pedro wasn't just really good from 99-01. - musubi May 28, 10:57 13
  - Everyone's said as much. - Will Hunting May 28, 10:58 12
    - He had a 15-year career, it's not like he had a 2 year peak out of 5 mediocre seasons. - musubi May 28, 11:03 11
      - Take out from 97-03, he's Koufax. 6 brilliant seasons. - Will Hunting May 28, 11:06 10
        
        I'm not arguing Maddux or Johnson, I'm arguing you putting Glavine ahead of Pedro. That's nutty. (nm) - musubi May 28, 11:07 9
        
        For a career, I prefer guys who were very good for longer time. - Will Hunting May 28, 11:11 4
        
        Burned out too quickly? He has 13 seasons that can be considered all-star caliber. And *wins*? This is the problem? - musubi May 28, 11:18 3
        
        Pedro's career for all intents was done by age 33. - Will Hunting May 28, 11:21 2
        
        It's *wins*, one of the most meaningless conventional pitching stats. (nm) - musubi May 28, 11:22 1
        
        (Will has "wins" engraved on every individual one of his anal beads.) - TFox May 28, 11:25
        
        Will only really likes one stat: wins. That means Glavine has to be before Pedro. -- nm - TFox May 28, 11:10 3
        
        Glavine has 1 less Cy Young award. 90 more wins. Same # of rings. - Will Hunting May 28, 11:12 2
        
        So, to summarize: less than Pedro, wins, equal to Pedro, wins. - TFox May 28, 11:14 1
        
        Well, when arguing about a pitcher's career, 5 full seasons of wins more is a pretty big hurdle to overcome. - Will Hunting May 28, 11:18
right. Not in the conversation with the other four. -- nm - Don Homer May 28, 10:55 4
- He's better than Clemens since he didn't cheat. -- nm - David May 28, 11:03 3
  - Depends when you think his cheating started. - musubi May 28, 11:06 2
    - He had better stuff. Glavine had more heart. And one of them cheated. It's a non-starter. -- nm - David May 28, 11:14 1
      - Fair nuff. - musubi May 28, 11:32
your face is a bad of chips -- nm - Guy May 28, 10:54

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I will accept arguments that Greg Maddux was a better pitcher than Pedro, and will listen to arguements about Randy Johnson, even the fat tub o' goo.

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