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Sorry people, but I think hyde is right.

Posted by the wrong element, bad guy (aka JFields) May 28 '09, 15:13

The issue wit Pedro is that in his best season, going by Will's ERA+ category which is helpful for comparing pitchers from different eras, you could get to the bullpen. As was shown in yesterday's O's/Jays game, that could be all it takes.

Meanwhile, in Gibson's top year he threw a complete game in 28 of his 34 games. He pitched a shutout in 13 of them. And from doing some math, it looks like there were some extra inning games in there.

I don't want the risk of Pedro leaving in the 8th, and then Armando Benitez comes in for the save.

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I'd still take Pedro for sheer dominance, but the extra innings that Gibson could go is a good argument. - musubi May 28, 15:54 4
- Oh, Armando could be great, but he could also blow a game. - the wrong element, bad guy May 28, 16:10 3
  - 13 CG's in a season means he musta been pretty good at finishing great games, huh? - Will Hunting May 28, 16:12 2
    - That was before his best season. - the wrong element, bad guy May 28, 16:18 1
      - It's not like Gibson finished every game he pitched. You don't know going in whether *either* was going to go the distance. - musubi May 28, 16:24
Satchel Paige or Rick Reuschel - the liioulu with umbrella May 28, 15:48 16
- And... - the liioulu with umbrella May 28, 15:50
- Reuschel also wasn't very good. - Will Hunting May 28, 15:49 14
  - Phhppttt. Fate of the Universe? Of course he was. - the liioulu with umbrella May 28, 15:53 13
    - I dunno...i like guys in the discussion of best big game pitchers to have won something - Will Hunting May 28, 16:02 7
      - He had 20 game years with the Cubs. - the liioulu with umbrella May 28, 16:08 2
        
        Never mind. You're being a homer here. - Will Hunting May 28, 16:10 1
        
        But you missed my premise - the fate of the Universe would depend on the Cubs winning. - the liioulu with umbrella May 28, 16:13
      - Like 7 WS games? - the wrong element, bad guy May 28, 16:07 3
        
        Gibson ain't a bad choice, I think Pedro in 99/00 is a better choice. - Will Hunting May 28, 16:09 2
        
        You're wrong about the IM. - the wrong element, bad guy May 28, 16:12 1
        
        You guys don't know what you're talking about. - the liioulu with umbrella May 28, 16:22
    - Harry Carey sees you post about the Cubs players and says, "That guy is too much of a homer." (nm) - musubi May 28, 15:56 4
      - harry caray was a Cardinals and White Sox announcer who couldn't remember the names of most of the Cubs. - the liioulu with umbrella May 28, 16:02 3
        
        Harry Caray is about synonymous with the Cubs as Wrigley Field is. -- nm - Will Hunting May 28, 16:03 2
        
        Not really, try Jack Brickhouse. - the liioulu with umbrella May 28, 16:18 1
        
        Or Ernie Banks -- nm - the liioulu with umbrella May 28, 16:19
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- That's one way that ERA+ is helpful. - the wrong element, bad guy May 28, 15:40 4
  - Take out that 1.12 (when the league was 2.99) and his next best # is 164. - Will Hunting May 28, 15:43 3
    - That 164 was the year after the outlier year. - the wrong element, bad guy May 28, 16:01 2
      - Yeah, let's see....274 / 291 or 258 / 164. I'm taking the guy who was nearly 1/3rd the league ERA two years running. -- nm - Will Hunting May 28, 16:06
      - If anything important rides on it, i'm taking the guy who was best. - Will Hunting May 28, 16:04
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I still think Satchel Paige was the best choice :) -- nm - peglegpete May 28, 15:16 7
- I can't argue on his behalf for a few reasons. - the wrong element, bad guy May 28, 15:50 6
  - MLBB was just as segregated as the Negro leagues. Satchel was in his late 40's when he joined the Indians. - peglegpete May 28, 15:54 5
    - Well, they weren't as segregated when Gibson was piching. - the wrong element, bad guy May 28, 16:03 4
      - i'd still be extremely happy with Satchel in his prime, and I would not need the other 8 players :) -- nm - peglegpete May 28, 16:05 3
        
        In that case, it's Randy Johnson in a heartbeat. - Will Hunting May 28, 16:08 2
        
        Not if the opposing team is the O's. - the wrong element, bad guy May 28, 16:14 1
        
        I know; that was always the oddest thing. -- nm - Will Hunting May 28, 16:14

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