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In response to "She's right. DO SOMETHING. -- nm" by ty97

Because people praying in a house of worship is... not doing something? -- nm

Posted by Strongbad (aka Rambler14) Mar 15 '19, 05:53

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It's not working so it's the next thing to doing nothing. -- nm - TWuG Mar 15, 06:13
Essentially yes. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Mar 15, 06:13
Obviously not, because this kind of stuff keeps happening. -- nm - Roger More Mar 15, 06:08
If one believes that actually will stop these future horrendous acts, sure it's doing something. - ty97 Mar 15, 06:03 2
- I think that’s the joke about the man who’s sitting on his roof during a flood and he turns away help because God will save him. - Roger More Mar 15, 06:13 1
  - Yep. "God helps them who help themselves". -- nm - TWuG Mar 15, 06:14
are any of those 49 people going to be not-dead? -- nm - Andie Mar 15, 05:54 41
- So the definition of "something" in this case is A) Reviving the dead or B) Going back in time to prevent it? -- nm - Strongbad Mar 15, 05:56 40
  - C) Actually doing something to stop this from happening in the future instead of praying and talking about how you'd - Krusty Mar 15, 06:04
  - I read it as "let's take some type of actual action to hopefully prevent this type of tragedy, instead of the typical 'thoughts and prayers.'" -- nm - JaxSean Mar 15, 05:59
  - or, you know, stopping it from happening again. - Andie Mar 15, 05:57
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    - Let's just accept the original message for what it is. - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:01 35
      - James 2:26 "For as the body without spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." - oblique Mar 15, 06:10 3
        
        I think the other key difference here - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:59 1
        
        fair -- nm - Beaker Mar 15, 07:00
        
        Thanks for this. - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:16
      - I mean, if you are going to just invent something preposterous and put it in her mouth, why not imply she was saying something like - Marlowe Mar 15, 06:08
      - uh, that's really not what she's saying -- nm - decline Mar 15, 06:05
      - That's not it at all. It's just that a lot of us want actual action on this issue and all we get are thoughts and prayers. -- nm - Krusty Mar 15, 06:05
      - That's not it AT ALL. Many of us have been saying for a long time that thoughts and prayers are *not enough*. - ty97 Mar 15, 06:04 23
        
        You really don't think it's a leap from - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:13 21
        
        My hope is that those offering thoughts and prayers are actually thinking about it and praying for an answer as well. - JaxSean Mar 15, 06:24 1
        
        I agree. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:35
        
        I think it's more that the term "thoughts and prayers" needs to be retired. It's not helpful anymore. -- nm* - Inigo Mar 15, 06:24 1
        
        Which is sad, because this was a thing long before Politicization of Everything began. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:25
        
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        I am admittedly overly sensitive to people showing possible prejudice against people with religious beliefs. Always will, that's who I am. - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:24 3
        
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        I am an imperfect being with many faults. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:45 1
        
        Aren’t we all. -- nm - Super Daddy Princess Mar 15, 06:53
        
        In practical terms, how is the second statement wrong, in regards to preventing another occurrence? - Super Daddy Princess Mar 15, 06:18 5
        
        Because you're limiting the context of this discussion only to preventing another occurrence. - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:21 4
        
        The politicians she is criticizing are limiting the discussion in the exact opposite way, which is the point I think she is making. -- (edited) - Super Daddy Princess Mar 15, 06:29
        
        You could fill a whole hour of TV with politicians offering thoughts and prayers after horrors like this occurred. And then append 60 seconds of black - ty97 Mar 15, 06:24 1
        
        Agree 100%. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:31
        
        i just don't see it the way you do. the whole TAPS response is her target. -- nm - Andie Mar 15, 06:22
        
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        Personally, I believe that my 2nd statement is a pretty demeaning thing to say to someone of any religion. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:18 3
        
        Question: With all the thoughts and prayers that have been given over the past decade, has anything improved? No one is saying don't do that. She - Andie Mar 15, 06:20 2
        
        And again, that's great if that was her intent. - Strongbad Mar 15, 06:29 1
        
        Good, as in a material good, in the sense of preventing future incidents of this type. - Reagen Mar 15, 06:40
        
        see kilbo's note above. -- nm - Andie Mar 15, 06:16
        
        I mean, I prayed for the victims and their loved ones last night. I think praying for them is a great thing! - ty97 Mar 15, 06:05
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      - No, that’s not it at all. -- nm - Super Daddy Princess Mar 15, 06:03
      - yes, let's take it at face value. prayers are NOT going to help if nothing else is done. if prayer helps you, that is wonderful. Then when you leave - Andie Mar 15, 06:03
      - I don't get that at all. -- nm - Beaker Mar 15, 06:02

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