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Driving in Texas will be more dangerous starting in Sept. as the governor has signed a bill making red-light cameras illegal. smh -- (edited)

Posted by Krusty (aka Krustylu) Jun 4 '19, 07:20

They save lives but who cares about that?

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2019/06/03/texas-gov-makes-life-saving-red-light-cameras-illegal/ (usa.streetsblog.org)

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They aren't employed for safety, they're to make money for municipalities, safety is the excuse they use. Many municipalities got rid of them when -- (edited) - jnine Jun 4, 08:16 1
- Yup. Just like the speed cameras on the desolate highways in Arizona and such. -- nm - Spawn Jun 4, 08:18
I have issues with any system that tickets the car, not the driver. - TWuG Jun 4, 07:40 1
- I disagree - Spawn Jun 4, 07:40
I'm on the fence about them. I don't have a problem with camera enforcement in principle but municipalities often game them - Reagen Jun 4, 07:33 17
- Happened here and the city wound up refunding some portion of the tickets when they got caught. -- nm - pmb Jun 4, 08:10
- Reagen is correct. The problem is implementation, not the technology itself. Greedy cities screwed themselves and now - Strongbad Jun 4, 07:44 6
  - The one that irritated me was... - Dark Callisto Jun 4, 07:48 5
    - Yep they turned all of ours into doing that too. -- nm - Bacon Jun 4, 07:53 4
      - I don't consider myself an expert in many ST topics of the day, but I know a lot about this. - Strongbad Jun 4, 08:07 3
        
        The greed angers me because it leads to what we see here, no one trusts them and wants them all gone. - Krusty Jun 4, 08:09 2
        
        Correct. Plus, there are technologies like - Strongbad Jun 4, 08:13 1
        
        Exactly. The perception, due to greed in places, makes it very hard to even have a conversation about it. And I don't mean here but in cities - Krusty Jun 4, 08:17
- They did a study here and found some of the yellow times shortened after they installed them. It's a scam to make money -- nm - Bacon Jun 4, 07:34 8
  - If they shorten the yellow to catch people that's very wrong and undermines the initiative. It should only be about safety and not turning people - Krusty Jun 4, 07:49 4
    - Our story - Strongbad Jun 4, 07:55 3
      - New Jersey did the same thing -- nm - decline Jun 4, 08:00
      - krusty, I am sorry, but you are wrong on all counts here. -- nm - groiny Jun 4, 07:57 1
        
        I'm not because our numbers show a drop in accidents where the cameras were installed. -- nm - Krusty Jun 4, 08:00
  - Then the problem is not the lights themselves, but the way cities use them. If you're gonna make a law, might as well make one that fixes that -- nm - Guigue Jun 4, 07:48
  - They are usually third party administered, too. Stop turning law enforcement into a profit center, it just encourages enforcement abuse. -- nm - TWuG Jun 4, 07:45 1
    - I think they all are 3rd party administered. And I agree 100% with the whole "ticketing the car" situation. nm - Hercules Mulligan Jun 4, 07:46
They stopped them here, too. I would agree to having *cameras* on the intersections still, but the ticketing of them needs to go. -- nm - JaxSean Jun 4, 07:32 7
- Why? If you run the light you get a ticket. If you don't run the light then there's nothing to worry about. - Krusty Jun 4, 07:34 2
  - Because more people slam on the brakes to stop short of the light, and it ends up causing more accidents. -- nm - JaxSean Jun 4, 08:15 1
    - The worst spots were those where the "Don't walk" lights did not have a countdown (just flashing). At least with the countdown people would have a - pmb Jun 4, 08:18
- then what good is a camera? -- nm - Andie Jun 4, 07:32 3
  - To record what actually happens, or for insurance / legal cases. -- nm - JaxSean Jun 4, 08:18 2
    - That seems far more big brother-ish to me. -- nm - Andie Jun 4, 08:19 1
      - I'm ok with that. We're being tracked anyway. -- nm - JaxSean Jun 4, 08:20
You people are all insane. They save lives and if you people didn't run red lights so often they wouldn't be needed. -- (edited) - Krusty Jun 4, 07:30 19
- Studies in Chicago showed the opposite. There was no reduction and more accidents caused by people stopping suddenly in anticipation of the lights - pmb Jun 4, 08:09 1
  - yes, I was going to go there, people slam on the brakes on yellow lights so they do not get tickets. -- nm - groiny Jun 4, 08:11
- I don't "run red lights" but police cameras are just Big Brother. Plus, I have heard countless court cases where a car was ticketed for going through - Spawn Jun 4, 07:32 16
  - You have a source about the yellow lights because I've read a lot about them lights and that's not something that comes up. - Krusty Jun 4, 07:36 15
    - It is the same thing, it just doesn't fit your agenda. It's the definition of big brother, Krusty. -- nm - Bacon Jun 4, 07:38 2
      - I will say I'm not a fan of cameras watching us all the time. But these cameras only do one thing, take pictures of people running red lights. - Krusty Jun 4, 07:45 1
        
        I have gotten numerous tickets from them, none of them for "running" a red light. - groiny Jun 4, 07:50
    - Sorry, that was from talking to my attorney (unrelated to car stuff!). -- nm - Spawn Jun 4, 07:37 11
      - I haven't read anything about that happening. If you're in the intersection when it turns red it doesn't take the pic. - Krusty Jun 4, 07:39 10
        
        They most certainly do, they take a picture if you are past the limit line when the light turns red. They are particularly annoying in LA County at - jnine Jun 4, 08:33
        
        do you even drive, Krusty? -- nm - groiny Jun 4, 07:50 8
        
        Why does that matter? I'm a pedestrian and I've nearly been hit by many cars that have run red lights. We all have a stake in this not just - Krusty Jun 4, 08:01 7
        
        it matters because you are not subject to getting a ticket for bullshit. - groiny Jun 4, 08:15 1
        
        Or when someone doesn't stop at the red light. I don't cross until it's red but some cars are going too fast and aren't able to stop until - Krusty Jun 4, 08:20
        
        IT matters here. You haven't dealt with the camera bullshit on this side of the issue. - Bacon Jun 4, 08:05 4
        
        That's bullshit. The issues you have with them are timing issues with the yellow. That shouldn't happen and can be corrected. Overall they save lives. - Krusty Jun 4, 08:07 3
        
        Next you will say that you are okay with men passing laws about women's bodies? -- nm - Spawn Jun 4, 08:08 2
        
        Not the same thing. Don't do that. -- nm - Krusty Jun 4, 08:10 1
        
        Exaggeration? Maybe. But it is still true. -- nm - Spawn Jun 4, 08:16
lol. Good for them. -- nm - Spawn Jun 4, 07:28
good - so glad we got rid of them in MO. -- nm - Hercules Mulligan Jun 4, 07:25
oh honey, no one in Houston even cares about Red Lights - it just means 4 more cars can go through an intersection. - Epiphany Jun 4, 07:23
Good I am all for this bill. I hate electronic policing. Hire more police. - Bacon Jun 4, 07:23 8
- The numbers where they do have them say it improves safety -- nm - Krusty Jun 4, 07:28 5
  - Fuck em! - Bacon Jun 4, 07:37 4
    - 2nd question, would it change your mind at all - Strongbad Jun 4, 08:16
    - Would it change your mind at all? - Strongbad Jun 4, 08:11 1
      - the issue for me, is any ticket, I pretty much have to burn a day off work (which are limited) to go to court to save 100 bucks. - groiny Jun 4, 08:13
    - agreed -- nm - groiny Jun 4, 07:53
- Your IM is exactly the point. It's all about that money. -- nm - Hercules Mulligan Jun 4, 07:26
- Because traffic is the best use of police. -- nm - mafic Jun 4, 07:25

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