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In response to "Driving in Texas will be more dangerous starting in Sept. as the governor has signed a bill making red-light cameras illegal. *smh* -- (edited)" by Krusty

I'm on the fence about them. I don't have a problem with camera enforcement in principle but municipalities often game them

Posted by Reagen Jun 4 '19, 07:33

Shortening light times, putting them on tricky intersections, etc.

Give full warning and keep them fair and I'm good.

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Happened here and the city wound up refunding some portion of the tickets when they got caught. -- nm - pmb Jun 4, 08:10
Reagen is correct. The problem is implementation, not the technology itself. Greedy cities screwed themselves and now - Strongbad Jun 4, 07:44 6
- The one that irritated me was... - Dark Callisto Jun 4, 07:48 5
  - Yep they turned all of ours into doing that too. -- nm - Bacon Jun 4, 07:53 4
    - I don't consider myself an expert in many ST topics of the day, but I know a lot about this. - Strongbad Jun 4, 08:07 3
      - The greed angers me because it leads to what we see here, no one trusts them and wants them all gone. - Krusty Jun 4, 08:09 2
        
        Correct. Plus, there are technologies like - Strongbad Jun 4, 08:13 1
        
        Exactly. The perception, due to greed in places, makes it very hard to even have a conversation about it. And I don't mean here but in cities - Krusty Jun 4, 08:17
They did a study here and found some of the yellow times shortened after they installed them. It's a scam to make money -- nm - Bacon Jun 4, 07:34 8
- If they shorten the yellow to catch people that's very wrong and undermines the initiative. It should only be about safety and not turning people - Krusty Jun 4, 07:49 4
  - Our story - Strongbad Jun 4, 07:55 3
    - New Jersey did the same thing -- nm - decline Jun 4, 08:00
    - krusty, I am sorry, but you are wrong on all counts here. -- nm - groiny Jun 4, 07:57 1
      - I'm not because our numbers show a drop in accidents where the cameras were installed. -- nm - Krusty Jun 4, 08:00
- Then the problem is not the lights themselves, but the way cities use them. If you're gonna make a law, might as well make one that fixes that -- nm - Guigue Jun 4, 07:48
- They are usually third party administered, too. Stop turning law enforcement into a profit center, it just encourages enforcement abuse. -- nm - TWuG Jun 4, 07:45 1
  - I think they all are 3rd party administered. And I agree 100% with the whole "ticketing the car" situation. nm - Hercules Mulligan Jun 4, 07:46

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